The Robin Masters Estate (Pahonu)

[Sam]

Thanks Hildie.... we should have put a watermark on it.. so that it cannot be copied for profit

LOL! Sam,

If you PM me with your e-mail I can send you my SketchUp 2D floor plan (with rooms labeled) from work tomorrow. You too RG! It's a very small file.

I used to think that was a sitting room too and drew it that way in my first model, but it doesn't fit with the information in RG's articles for several reasons. Lets you guys have a look and see what you think?

Are you getting dizzy
RG's article states three bedrooms upstairs 2 with sitting rooms.. it's my belief that both ends of that Lanai end in sitting rooms.. and the service stairs can only end in that room with the elevator... that room is the / linen sewing dumbwaiter room.. did you look at my sketch...
The oceanside side sitting room has a small balcony.. the driveway side has a window.. I can't see how entering from the Lanai you would enter a sewing room and then go to a sitting room and then a bedroom...

[Sam]

Hey Pahonu..... that should have read are WE getting dizzy yet... I didn't mean to say you are dizzy.

[Pahonu]

RG... can you post my masterpiece my sketch

Maybe that can help with the visual

Your wish is my command, Sam. Here's your upstairs floorplan "masterpiece"...



And the pic you requested...

I needed a few minutes to get over the dizziness... but I'm back.

I did see your sketch. It's pretty close, but missing a few things we are certain about from photos.

On the left of the lanai you show a door to the middle bedroom. That's correct, but there's another door farther down on that wall, which I believe to be the linen closet, and a window still further down, which is the dressing room to the ocean-view suite. Your sketch has it labeled as a bath, but it's shown in the real estate photos with wardrobes and a dressing table, and the window onto the lanai. The bath you show behind it connects to that dressing room, has a window facing the rear, and is all part of that suite.

The middle bedroom has it's dressing room on a common wall with the ocean-view suites dressing room, but a bit smaller because the linen closet is shared in that space. This dressing room connects to a bathroom on the same common wall and has a window facing the rear also.

The stair hall is correct, and then there's the third suite. The easiest way to visualize my floor plan is to swap the stairs and bathroom in your sketch. The sitting room and bedroom would be lined up across the back of the house with a bathroom and short hall between them, and behind the elevator stretching to the back would be the dressing room and closet. The sitting room in your sketch is the sewing room with access to the stairs down to the space just right of the zagaun which is the entry to the service wing. It doesn't connect to the bedroom with the driveway balcony in your sketch. It also has the dumbwaiter.

Here's why I think this is so:

In the sketch the bathroom has no window which would be like no other bathroom in the house and highly unusual in a house of this era and size. In fact, three of the five dressing rooms have windows as do both powder rooms as well. The two that don't have there own windows connect directly with bathrooms that do.

The sitting room in the sketch is not actually very large, has no balconies only windows. Being on he service side of the house, it arguably has a poorer view than the back of the house which has an angled view of the ocean and to which all the other suites face.

The space with the word elevator in it on your sketch is much larger and has a rear facing balcony with a view. You don't label that space in the sketch, but I think you have been referring to it as the sewing room/linen closet. I'm uncertain the architect would place a balcony with a view in such a service space, while placing a sitting room viewing mostly the driveway.

Finally, I don't know how to explain it in less than a very long paragraph so I'll keep it short. (I'm starting to feel dizzy again) The sketch doesn't show any windows or doors at the back between the two lanais, but the way they all line up is actually symmetrical. It's quite amazing really and I didn't see it for a very long time. Long story short, it doesn't fit having the service stair in the back with a sewing room/linen closet located there.

I don't mean to sound too critical. I truly enjoy discussing this topic with you guys.

I think you'll really enjoy seeing the SketchUp floor plan.

[Steve]

Great descriptions of the layout, the house was definitely built for guests and entertaining that even a Robin Masters would have been proud of. This makes me even angrier that it was all demolished

[Rembrandt's Girl]

If you PM me with your e-mail I can send you my SketchUp 2D floor plan (with rooms labeled) from work tomorrow. You too RG! It's a very small file.

Thanks Pahonu, I PMed you last night. Looking forward to seeing it... I cleared my schedule for the day

[Sam]

Pahonu.. how would you interpret this this is from one of the articles?

Two of the suites have, in addition, separate sitting rooms which open on to a lanai overlooking the patio."

[Pahonu]

Pahonu.. how would you interpret this this is from one of the articles?

Two of the suites have, in addition, separate sitting rooms which open on to a lanai overlooking the patio."

Good eye! The article seems to refer to the front courtyard as the patio with the upstairs balcony being the lanai. If, in my plan, you reverse the sitting room and bedroom of the suite we’ve been discussing, it would meet the criteria in that article. I was unsure which was which as both are about the same size, unlike the ocean-side suite. It also follows the pattern of that ocean-side suite: enter a sitting room with a balcony, then the bedroom with a terrace. I’ll update my model. Thanks!

I guess I should relabel my model to reflect what the architect specified in those articles. I was using terms common to the Spanish Colonial Revival style of architecture which the house is...was!

[Rembrandt's Girl]

Posting for Pahonu...

FLOOR 1:


FLOOR 2:


BASEMENT:


ROOF:

[Rembrandt's Girl]

Posting SketchUp screen caps for Pahonu...

FRONT:



DRIVEWAY VIEW:



SEAWALL VIEW:



REAR VIEW:



SERVICE/GARAGES:



BOATHOUSE:

[Sam]

Great Job Pahonu..... that location of that bedroom on the right just above the kitchen exhaust fan and the noise of the pots and pans has to be one of the worst rooms in the house... it must be the....makuahūnōai wahine apartment.

Thanks for posting the pictures RG

[Pahonu]

Great Job Pahonu..... that location of that bedroom on the right just above the kitchen exhaust fan and the noise of the pots and pans has to be one of the worst rooms in the house... it must be the....makuahūnōai wahine apartment.

Thanks for posting the pictures RG

Thanks Sam,

You're right, that suite is probably the least desirable. It's the farthest from the ocean of all five, with the worst!?! view from inside. It's also the only bedroom to look toward the driveway, but I'd take it!

There might be some noise on that rear terrace, but the floors are all rebar reinforced concrete and the bearing walls are 12-inch thick hollow tile with rebar and concrete in them. Not too bad for sound deadening. It's the terrace looking more directly at the water that's so nice... and large. The kitchen is under that terrace, with the bedroom over the servant dining room and butler's pantry.

You're referring to the vent over the paired windows facing the driveway, I'm guessing. In my plans, I placed the main kitchen sink at those windows, which is almost always done. I have the range on the opposite wall, but it would be quite easy to run the vent across in a lowered ceiling. That would send the fumes and smells to the driveway side, rather than the rear courtyard with all the other bedrooms.

After writing this I realized I should really be using the past tense now.

[Pahonu]

I should also mention these plans and the model don't reflect some new information learned from the demolition. For example, I have to place rear stairs from the service yard into the basement.

I also haven't even started trying to figure out the pool house, other than its overall size and location learned from the land plat done at the time of sale.

LOL! I can't see the images RG posted.

[KENJI]

Thanks Pahonu for the terrific drawings and layout.....really well done, much appreciated!!! How many hours do you think you have in this model (rough it)?
Thanks RG for posting them too!

[Pahonu]

Thanks Pahonu for the terrific drawings and layout.....really well done, much appreciated!!! How many hours do you think you have in this model (rough it)?
Thanks RG for posting them too!

If I count them up, I might get depressed! It's been off and on for years starting with paper drawings when the show was on the air. Then came AutoCad plans, and about 8 years ago came SketchUp. As new information became available I would make changes, but that could be a very long time in between with no activity at all. I just looked through my files and the original Pahonu model that's linked to the site was last modified 4/15/16. More than two years.

Lets just say more than a hundred, less than a thousand... I hope.

Thanks again RG for posting and everyone else who shared, and continues to share information.

[KENJI]

Thanks Pahonu for the terrific drawings and layout.....really well done, much appreciated!!! How many hours do you think you have in this model (rough it)?
Thanks RG for posting them too!

If I count them up, I might get depressed! It's been off and on for years starting with paper drawings when the show was on the air. Then came AutoCad plans, and about 8 years ago came SketchUp. As new information became available I would make changes, but that could be a very long time in between with no activity at all. I just looked through my files and the original Pahonu model that's linked to the site was last modified 4/15/16. More than two years.

Lets just say more than a hundred, less than a thousand... I hope.

Thanks again RG for posting and everyone else who shared, and continues to share information.

It's definitely a labor of love that is appreciated by all of us, Pahonu!
Thanks for putting in the time!!!