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#2071 Post by Pahonu »

Hey Sam,

Good to discuss this with you again.

Hey RG,

I'll try to explain in detail and not be too tedious. :wink:

Kenji also PM'd me about some of this. Deep breath... Here goes:

When you go through the arched double doors through the porch from the drive way, you enter the open-ended room called a zaguan in Spanish architecture. In the zaguan there is a small door to the right before you go up the three steps to the arched loggia, along the courtyard, and to the stair hall entrance. That small door leads to the service wing as stated in RG's articles. That wing stretches back to the garage wing and is perpendicular to it. Also, on the opposing wall of the zaguan is a door to a trunk room as Rick Romer explained in his blog.

That small door leads to all the service rooms, the first of which, I believe, is a service stair in a U-shape around a dumbwaiter leading down to the basement, up three steps to the butler's pantry at the level of the rest of the first floor, and on up to the second floor. The butler's pantry is the next room back and it opens to three other rooms. Left is to the dining room adjacent the stair hall, straight back is to the main kitchen, and to the right is the servant's dining room. Following RG? :D

From the outside of the house, the servant's dining room has the three windows under the balcony facing the driveway. The main kitchen would be the two windows further right along the driveway toward the garage. The kitchen and other service rooms are only one story with a terrace above. Interestingly, as the building turns 90 degrees and becomes the garage, the adjacent part of the gable-roofed garage wing is service space connecting to the kitchen. The property tax drawings show this. I think this area has pantry storage, the laundry, and the second stairs to the basement I previously discussed.

Returning to the main kitchen, heading further back in the wing, is a servant powder room, access to the pantry mentioned above, and on to the service porch, or what might have been the cold-storage room. The service porch and adjacent laundry both lead to a rear service yard which is located between the rear driveway behind the garage wing, and the rear courtyard of the main house. That courtyard has the bath house. There are four windows with plaster vents facing this courtyard, two from the kitchen, one from the powder room, and one slightly lower at the service porch. These vent windows can be seen in the Magnum episode Distant Relative, I think at the beginning. These rear yard spaces are also shown in the land plat RG found from the time of the sale.

As for where the service stair leads upstairs, Sam, they open to the room over the zaguan. From the outside, that would be the room to the right of the large upstairs balcony over the arches. It has a window facing forward toward the front courtyard and one facing the driveway. I believe this is also the sewing room mentioned in RG's articles. It also mentions a linen closet which is one of the doors at the other end of the upstairs balcony, past the stair hall.

The balcony you mentioned overlooking the driveway is part of one of the three upstairs suites, and the only one on that side of the stair hall. It stretches linearly along the back of the house and includes a bedroom, sitting room, dressing room with closet, and bathroom. It also opens to the terrace over the kitchen and has another balcony facing the rear courtyard. A similar suite is on the ocean side but the rooms are not all in a line. Rather, the sitting room with balcony, and bedroom with rear terrace, face the water, while the dressing room and bathroom have windows overlooking the large balcony and rear courtyard, respectively. It's the one seen in H5-O a couple of times and the dressing room is in the realtor photos. The final suite between them doesn't have the sitting room, but has everything else including a balcony also facing the rear courtyard. RG's articles state this about no sitting room.

Whew!!!!! That's pretty close to tedious... :lol:

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#2072 Post by Sam »

Hey Pahonu... good to see you again.. that is a lot to digest... let me go slow here..from RG's article... the two downstairs bedrooms the stair Hall and the dining room opens to the Lanai... I'm having problems visualizing the dining room opening to the Lanai..

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Sam wrote:Hey Pahonu... good to see you again.. that is a lot to digest... let me go slow here..from RG's article... the two downstairs bedrooms the stair Hall and the dining room opens to the Lanai... I'm having problems visualizing the dining room opening to the Lanai..
They open to the rear courtyard or lanai, looking out to the bath house. The dining room has a pair of French doors, the stair hall has one under the stair itself below an arch, the bedroom suite adjacent the stair hall also has paired French doors, and the bedroom suite next to the ocean has one facing into the rear courtyard at a 90 degree angle. I suspected one was there but it was always obscured by foliage... until the demolition. :( Much of this rear-facing detail is wrong in my original model, which was made before RG's sleuthing.

You were visualizing the side facing the front courtyard under the arched loggia. There, the dining room has a rather large horizontal vent unique in the home, the stair hall has the paired pocket doors, the adjacent bedroom suite has the single door under the arches as well as a vent window to its dressing room, and the ocean-side bedroom suite has a single door opening into the living room opposite the fireplace wall.

It's interesting to note that almost all the non-service rooms in the house orient their views toward the ocean-side or to the rear courtyard which would have had angled views of the water. The front courtyard is faced mostly by solid doors or vent windows excepting those in the one-story ell. Even the upstairs large balcony has mostly solid doors opening onto it. Lounging on that large upstairs balcony would also give angled views of the water, but the rooms would maintain their privacy. It's funny, we are so familiar with that courtyard from the show, but it was clearly designed more for circulation with the views oriented elsewhere. The driveway side logically is almost exclusively the view of servants, which makes sense. All of this is good architectural design. Also, by being largely one room deep with a series of ells rather than a single large mass, the home is well designed to catch cool ocean breezes in this pre-air conditioning era.
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#2074 Post by Rembrandt's Girl »

Thanks Pahonu! And thanks for the headache :wink:

So since we're talking about the back... can you please tell us what all the doors & windows are in this pic? That will really help visualize your descriptions.

Thanks!

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Rembrandt's Girl wrote:Thanks Pahonu! And thanks for the headache :wink:

So since we're talking about the back... can you please tell us what all the doors & windows are in this pic? That will really help visualize your descriptions.

Thanks!



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Hi RG.... my best guess would be the two Square Windows upper right are in the stairwell... the balcony is in the elevator linen dumbwaiter sewing room.. the three Windows below that are in the dining room.. and the doors to the right of that are the doors in the stair hall. The door scene from the front main door to the back wall

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Pahonu wrote:From the outside of the house, the servant's dining room has the three windows under the balcony facing the driveway. The main kitchen would be the two windows further right along the driveway toward the garage. The kitchen and other service rooms are only one story with a terrace above.
Pahonu,

Great timing, I was just re-watching the pilot this morning and captured the three shots below. If I am reading your description correctly, we are seeing the servant's dining room and the main kitchen windows in these pics?

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#2077 Post by Pahonu »

Rembrandt's Girl wrote:Thanks Pahonu! And thanks for the headache :wink:

So since we're talking about the back... can you please tell us what all the doors & windows are in this pic? That will really help visualize your descriptions.

Thanks!

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I warned you! :wink:


One-story section from the left:

Lower vent window: service porch, possibly former cold storage

Next vent window: powder room... maybe

Next two vents: main kitchen- certain

Above is the terrace off one of the upstairs bedroom suites with a sitting room


Two-story section:

The rectangular balcony: same upstairs bedroom suite, to the left is a small bathroom window (barely visible) to the right is a similar window into the suite's dressing room. The curious quarter circle shape at the junction of the upstairs terrace and two-story section is part of the terrace. Two French doors open from the suite to the terrace. I'm not sure which, the bedroom or sitting room open to the terrace or balcony.

Below the rectangular balcony: paired French doors to the dining room, small window to the left is the butler's pantry

French doors on the first floor right of the balcony: stair hall, above and to the right are two windows to the upper stair hall

Rectangular balcony barely visible at far right: upstairs bedroom suite without sitting room. Unseen below that balcony are paired French doors to the first floor bedroom suite that opens by single wood door to the arched loggia at the front of the house.

The several little fences near the French doors are surrounding several wells that open to basement windows.

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#2078 Post by Pahonu »

ENSHealy wrote:
Pahonu wrote:From the outside of the house, the servant's dining room has the three windows under the balcony facing the driveway. The main kitchen would be the two windows further right along the driveway toward the garage. The kitchen and other service rooms are only one story with a terrace above.
Pahonu,

Great timing, I was just re-watching the pilot this morning and captured the three shots below. If I am reading your description correctly, we are seeing the servant's dining room and the main kitchen windows in these pics?

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That's it! The window above the porch in the second photo is to the sewing room, I believe. The service stairs would be just to the right of the window, which is to the right of the porch doors below that lead to the zaguan.

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#2079 Post by Sam »

Pahonu wrote:
ENSHealy wrote:
Pahonu wrote:From the outside of the house, the servant's dining room has the three windows under the balcony facing the driveway. The main kitchen would be the two windows further right along the driveway toward the garage. The kitchen and other service rooms are only one story with a terrace above.
Pahonu,

Great timing, I was just re-watching the pilot this morning and captured the three shots below. If I am reading your description correctly, we are seeing the servant's dining room and the main kitchen windows in these pics?

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That's it! The window above the porch in the second photo is to the sewing room, I believe. The service stairs would be just to the right of the window, which is to the right of the porch doors below that lead to the zaguan.
Respectively the window above the porch is the sitting room

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RG... can you post my masterpiece my sketch :lol: :lol:

Maybe that can help with the visual

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#2081 Post by Rembrandt's Girl »

Pahonu wrote: I warned you! :wink:


One-story section from the left:

Lower vent window: service porch, possibly former cold storage

Next vent window: powder room... maybe

Next two vents: main kitchen- certain

Above is the terrace off one of the upstairs bedroom suites with a sitting room


Two-story section:

The rectangular balcony: same upstairs bedroom suite, to the left is a small bathroom window (barely visible) to the right is a similar window into the suite's dressing room. The curious quarter circle shape at the junction of the upstairs terrace and two-story section is part of the terrace. Two French doors open from the suite to the terrace. I'm not sure which, the bedroom or sitting room open to the terrace or balcony.

Below the rectangular balcony: paired French doors to the dining room, small window to the left is the butler's pantry

French doors on the first floor right of the balcony: stair hall, above and to the right are two windows to the upper stair hall

Rectangular balcony barely visible at far right: upstairs bedroom suite without sitting room. Unseen below that balcony are paired French doors to the first floor bedroom suite that opens by single wood door to the arched loggia at the front of the house.

The several little fences near the French doors are surrounding several wells that open to basement windows.
WOO-HOO! I've got it... I understand and can visualize all of this! Wow, that mauka bedroom suite with the terrace also includes the rectangular balcony we can see in the pic? That's a nice size!

So, since one of the downstairs bedrooms runs from the back of the house to the front of the house, if someone was walking from say the main stair hall to the living room in the ell they would have to walk under the lanai?

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#2082 Post by Rembrandt's Girl »

Sam wrote:RG... can you post my masterpiece my sketch :lol: :lol:

Maybe that can help with the visual
Your wish is my command, Sam. Here's your upstairs floorplan "masterpiece"...

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And the pic you requested...

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Thanks Hildie.... we should have put a watermark on it.. so that it cannot be copied for profit :lol: :lol:

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Rembrandt's Girl wrote:
Pahonu wrote: I warned you! :wink:


One-story section from the left:

Lower vent window: service porch, possibly former cold storage

Next vent window: powder room... maybe

Next two vents: main kitchen- certain

Above is the terrace off one of the upstairs bedroom suites with a sitting room


Two-story section:

The rectangular balcony: same upstairs bedroom suite, to the left is a small bathroom window (barely visible) to the right is a similar window into the suite's dressing room. The curious quarter circle shape at the junction of the upstairs terrace and two-story section is part of the terrace. Two French doors open from the suite to the terrace. I'm not sure which, the bedroom or sitting room open to the terrace or balcony.

Below the rectangular balcony: paired French doors to the dining room, small window to the left is the butler's pantry

French doors on the first floor right of the balcony: stair hall, above and to the right are two windows to the upper stair hall

Rectangular balcony barely visible at far right: upstairs bedroom suite without sitting room. Unseen below that balcony are paired French doors to the first floor bedroom suite that opens by single wood door to the arched loggia at the front of the house.

The several little fences near the French doors are surrounding several wells that open to basement windows.
WOO-HOO! I've got it... I understand and can visualize all of this! Wow, that mauka bedroom suite with the terrace also includes the rectangular balcony we can see in the pic? That's a nice size!

So, since one of the downstairs bedrooms runs from the back of the house to the front of the house, if someone was walking from say the main stair hall to the living room in the ell they would have to walk under the lanai?
Yup, along the arched loggia. The only bedroom suite in the home, upstairs or down, that isn't entered from the outside is the one off the living room. The others open from the upstairs lanai/balcony or the arched loggia. There aren't really any interior halls in the home, rather the loggias and lanais are used for circulation. Also good for air circulation, as I mentioned earlier.

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#2085 Post by Pahonu »

Sam wrote:Thanks Hildie.... we should have put a watermark on it.. so that it cannot be copied for profit :lol: :lol:
LOL! Sam,

If you PM me with your e-mail I can send you my SketchUp 2D floor plan (with rooms labeled) from work tomorrow. You too RG! It's a very small file.

I used to think that was a sitting room too and drew it that way in my first model, but it doesn't fit with the information in RG's articles for several reasons. Lets you guys have a look and see what you think? It doesn't have the external basement stairs, though, having just seen this from the demolition photos.

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