Season 1 Episode 19: Blood in the Water (1.19)

[Laohu]

I think comparing Bond and Magnum is kind of fitting seeing that the original version of Magnum ( Flynn ) started out being more “Bond “ like ..Not sure I get why it matters that Bond was a Character from a book first ? I think what was said before applies . Guess I am missing something .

[ConchRepublican]

I really don't see the Bond/Magnum comparison. Yes, other actors played James Bond, but aside from maybe Daniel Craig (which may be considered a reboot though I think of his run as a prequel) they all really continued the story just with certain characters recast. Stories moved forward and history remained.

Except for maybe On Her Majesty's Secret Service . . . poor George Lazenby . . .

I use the Bond comparison for the Marvel movies, and that is if Connery can be replaced as Bond then Robert Downey Jr can be replaced as Tony Stark as well (although I shudder at the thought).

[sandbiscuits]

I really don't see the Bond/Magnum comparison. Yes, other actors played James Bond, but aside from maybe Daniel Craig (which may be considered a reboot though I think of his run as a prequel) they all really continued the story just with certain characters recast. Stories moved forward and history remained.

But isn't Bond updated in style and tone as the times change? Since Casino Royale was brought up, I'll point out that I thought it was really good, in part because it was a bit grittier. Many of the earlier Bond films were quite campy (sorry if that's not quite right, but you know what I mean). It's not just a matter of recasting characters. Writing style, acting style, action scene style... it all gets updated for better and worse depending on your taste.

As for the negative tone on the reboot threads, I think it's a shame that people may show up and find that overall there isn't a very welcoming community for fans of the reboot. Actually, I'm a little surprised we even have new episode threads if the site is meant for the 1980-88 series, as Conch Republican suggested. I mean, after a while, constantly complaining about the reboot on an episode-by-episode basis (even before they've aired, no less) has to get old, no? The reboot could just be excluded from Magnum Mania! and some fan somewhere in the world could start up a new fansite if they wanted. But I think that would be a shame since it's possible to be fans of both series.

[Higgins (aka Bondtoys)]

I feel, that the point of my last comment was totally missed:

I have tried to draw similarities in behaviour.
Behaviours and patterns from traditionalist fans of the "Original" against something that shows the contemporary update of the original show.

The continuous display of hate - the same attributes that are mocked and criticized on the new stuff, the insults against producers, main actors and storywriters, the sacrilege mindset, how can anyone not see that parallel?

It's easy to brush all off with "well James Bond is not Magnum", but that is a bit very easy.

That aside, James Bond had the advantage of being slightly updated every 2 or 3 years (with exceptions), with Magnum PI the contrast to the original after a 30 years absence is of course more dramatic and keeping that in mind, the reboot has very much left from the original show.


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[Higgins (aka Bondtoys)]

I really don't see the Bond/Magnum comparison. Yes, other actors played James Bond, but aside from maybe Daniel Craig (which may be considered a reboot though I think of his run as a prequel) they all really continued the story just with certain characters recast. Stories moved forward and history remained.

There have been more instances where Bond movies are considered to be reboots.

On Her Majesty's Secret Service may be one of them
For Your Eyes Only certainly was
The Living Daylights
and Casino Royale

honorable mentions go to Live and Let Die and Goldeneye.

[Laohu]

I use the Bond comparison for the Marvel movies, and that is if Connery can be replaced as Bond then Robert Downey Jr can be replaced as Tony Stark as well (although I shudder at the thought).[/quote]

So to some up , popular actor who was well known and liked in the role Connery / Selleck / Robert Downey jr retires from playing the role. All future actors to play the role are are going to be compared to him when it is recast . Fans are going to adjust to the new actor and some fans will never accept anyone else in the role of there hero .
I think we all agree

[ZelenskyTheValiant (Ivan)]

I really don't see the Bond/Magnum comparison. Yes, other actors played James Bond, but aside from maybe Daniel Craig (which may be considered a reboot though I think of his run as a prequel) they all really continued the story just with certain characters recast. Stories moved forward and history remained.

There have been more instances where Bond movies are considered to be reboots.

On Her Majesty's Secret Service may be one of them
For Your Eyes Only certainly was
The Living Daylights
and Casino Royale

honorable mentions go to Live and Let Die and Goldeneye.

I'm sorry but For Your Eyes Only certainly was NOT a reboot. I've never even heard this suggestion on any of the Bond discussion forums or boards. For starters it's the same actor in the role (Roger Moore) and secondly it's still very much in the spirit of the previous Moore films, even if it is a bit more serious and less outlandish than the preceding Moonraker. You don't even have GoldenEye on your list and that is certainly more of a reboot than FYEO. The Living Daylights isn't much of a reboot either. Heck, neither was OHMSS. There was really only one hard reboot and that was Casino Royale.

[ConchRepublican]

I really don't see the Bond/Magnum comparison. Yes, other actors played James Bond, but aside from maybe Daniel Craig (which may be considered a reboot though I think of his run as a prequel) they all really continued the story just with certain characters recast. Stories moved forward and history remained.

There have been more instances where Bond movies are considered to be reboots.

On Her Majesty's Secret Service may be one of them
For Your Eyes Only certainly was
The Living Daylights
and Casino Royale

honorable mentions go to Live and Let Die and Goldeneye.

I'm sorry but For Your Eyes Only certainly was NOT a reboot. I've never even heard this suggestion on any of the Bond discussion forums or boards. For starters it's the same actor in the role (Roger Moore) and secondly it's still very much in the spirit of the previous Moore films, even if it is a bit more serious and less outlandish than the preceding Moonraker. You don't even have GoldenEye on your list and that is certainly more of a reboot than FYEO. The Living Daylights isn't much of a reboot either. Heck, neither was OHMSS. There was really only one hard reboot and that was Casino Royale.

Thank you.

[T.Q.]

I’ve never heard any James Bond movies ever being called “reboots” before.

Guess I would view Daniel Craig’s version a reboot though because they’re no longer fun and campy like they were previously. So style wise I would.

[Laohu]

Casino Royals takes us back to Bond becoming a 00 it was the first Bond novel written and was made into a comedy staring David Niven and a TV show before being made into a “ Offical Bond film “ .
Not sure if you would consider Never say Never again a reboot or not ? It’s not part of the Offical Bond Franchise.
To be honest I think every time a new actor gets his shot at playing Bond it is like a Reboot they change Bonds personality or focus on different traits of his personality. Each actor brings something different to the role they don’t really act like the same person .

[Higgins (aka Bondtoys)]

. You don't even have GoldenEye on your list

Well, I have

honorable mentions go to Live and Let Die and Goldeneye.

I'm sorry but For Your Eyes Only certainly was NOT a reboot. I've never even heard this suggestion on any of the Bond discussion forums or boards.

I guess, it all comes down to how you define "reboot".
FYEO certainly has the same main actor - so if that it the main point of differentiation, you are correct.
If you watch "The Spy who loved me" and Moonraker and then "For Your Eyes Only" in a row, you may agree more with me.

We call the new Magnum Pi series a reboot, but I could make a counterpoint by pointing out to all similarities (Magnum is still living in Robin's nest. We still have his friends Rick and TC and they still manage a bar and own a helicopter business. Magnum still drives a Ferrari open top, the Main Title Tune is still the same, the 4 friends have a military background and traumatic war experiences and so on....)
So, I could do the same with Magnum (which everybody calls a reboot) and say, that it's not by pointing on all the similarities between the "reboot" and the old series.

I could now elaborate all the main differences in FYEO and why I am calling it a reboot (and maybe others not), but I'll leave it to that:

>> For Your Eyes” only wasn’t as radical a reboot as the Daniel Craig-starring “Casino Royale,” but it accomplished much the same thing, resetting an increasingly unruly franchise … for a short time <<
https://variety.com/2012/film/reviews/r ... 118057701/

>>We had gone as far as we could into space. We needed a change of some sort, back to the grass roots of Bond. We wanted to make the new film more of a thriller than a romp, without losing sight of what made Bond famous – its humour.
<<
— John Glen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_Your_Eyes_Only_(film)

[KENJI]

I liked parts of this one, but feel they still squish to much content in the episode (i.e. two storylines) and then when it comes to the end of the show everything is too fast/rushed and convenient because they ran out of time. I would rather see in some episodes like this one ,only one storyline and use that 10 minutes to do a better job on the main storyline.
Does anyone have a guess on what the T.R. Belle stands for?

[KingKC]

I somewhat liked this one but it really came off as a takeoff on Home From the Sea. Thankfully TC and Rick did not save him with the helicopter since it was busted down but they did the saving with the boat. (and TC does not do his own repairs now.) There was more and obvious bonding between Higgins and TM which is clearly leading up to something. (I am afraid a lot of people will cringe and gag at some point in this reboot.) Rick mentions being a club owner but we are yet to see it. I wonder if we ever will since this was Episode 19! I can accept the show for what it is: a reboot...but if they keep coming up with story lines that are so reminiscent of the original it is going to be very hard not to compare the two...and the reboot will lose.

[Laohu]

I liked parts of this one, but feel they still squish to much content in the episode (i.e. two storylines) and then when it comes to the end of the show everything is too fast/rushed and convenient because they ran out of time. I would rather see in some episodes like this one ,only one storyline and use that 10 minutes to do a better job on the main storyline.
Does anyone have a guess on what the T.R. Belle stands for?

Not sure what T.R Belle stands for hope they come back to it in another episode and just don’t drop it .
I agree with you Kenji about running short on time . I think the problem is that they have to many characters . Each week they pair Magnum with one character this week Higgins that leaves pairing two other characters this week it was Rick and T.C. .that leaves Kumu,Katsumoto and and whatever guest characters not much screen time .
This was a good episode I really think having Justin Lin direct the pilot of the series was a huge mistake . He went to far over the top and set the wrong tone for the show . As the season has progressed we have seen it dialed back and as a result has gotten better.

[Steve]

I truly enjoyed this episode, yes, it was indeed a nod to "Home From The Sea" or as close as the writers would want to get. I liked the flashbacks to when Juliette and Magnum first met and his first days at Robins Nest, but I would have loved to have seen the 308 GTS when Magnum told Juliette he didn't have any money or transportation. I was looking forward to a couple of good episodes during the April sweeps but looks like the next episode is the season final, should be good as it will bring the mysterious Hannah character back.....

(I look forward to the debate if Idris Elba is named the next Bond )