Death of the Flowers (7.12)

J.J. Walters · Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 6:24 pm Post subject: Death of the Flowers (7.12)

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Original Air Date: 12/10/1986
After a devastating fight at a florist, suspicion blooms in both Carol and Rick as they question whether their respective mentors may be involved in illegal affairs

J.J. Walters · Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 3:16 am Post subject:

I really, really like this episode! You can see just how much Magnum cares for Carol and how much Icepick means to Rick.

I love how the main theme of this episode (mentors/heroes are not infallible) is represented by three different people, for three different main characters (Magnum/Coach Grant, Rick/Icepick, Carol/Kearns), each with a different background and story.

This episode has all kinds of fun little touches and details in it. We get flashbacks of Rick (with narration!) and Icepick in Chicago in the late 50s. We get Higgins quoting William Cullen Bryant and Thomas Gray. We get to see Magnum reading Chandler's The Simple Art of Murder. We get to see the "Anuenue Room" (or "Rainbow Room"). We see photo albums of Magnum and Carol. We learn that Francis Hofstetler spells his nickname "Icepick", not "Ice Pick"!

How many TV shows would even come close to mentioning/quoting/referencing people like William Cullen Bryant, Thomas Gray, or Raymond Chandler ever, let alone in the same episode? None! The answer is none! Wink

The story has a good flow to it and never has a misstep. And I love the moving, uncharacteristic ending. Very well done.

Great episode!

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rubber chicken · Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 6:24 am Post subject:

I'll simply say I agree James. Very Happy

I'm pretty sure the beach where Magnum is seen running in this episode is the same one which was used in The Chinese Typewriter. Everything fits pretty well in google earth, except that the beach is a bit straighter now, but it isn't surprising that it would be slightly different after 25 years or so. And I think the difference in the height of the mountains in the background is caused by the use of lenses of different focal lengths.

The beach is at Kawaikui Beach Park, which has a nice parking lot and access convenient for filming equipment. It's also just a short ways east of Kahala and the Hawaii Film Studio. (google maps link)

I also think I found Judge Hannibal Kearns' house. It's located here in - you guessed it - Kahala. Magnum really should have just taken an apartment there. It's a shame he so often had to drive all the way down from the "north shore." The beautiful tree is gone, and the pool may or may not have the same corners (hard to tell with the fuzzy image) but otherwise it's a very good match.

Last but not least, I may have found Icepick's house, practically across the street from the judge's (oh the irony). Only one sweeping shot is shown in this episode (backyard only) but it's clear that it's on Kahala beach so that narrows it down. The only other property which resembles it is this one at the west end of the beach. Are their any more episodes which show the outside of his house?

Notice the resemblance of the mountains in the background of Icepick's house and the beach in the first photos.

IslandHopper · Master Flub Spotter Joined: 30 Mar 2007 Posts: 729

J.J. Walters · Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:05 pm Post subject:

rubber chicken · Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 1:26 am Post subject:

Thanks for your help guys. It looks like Icepick's house in The People vs. Orville Wright (7.21) is not the same location as the one pictured above in Death of the Flowers (7.12). The biggest indicator is that because of Diamond Head you simply can't see the mountains which are visible in Death of the Flowers.

And it does appear that the driveway entrance Magnum is looking at in The People vs. Orville Wright (7.21) is the actual entrance for the house which is shown when Magnum pulls in the driveway and speaks with the men playing croquet.

As for the inside shots with the accountant showing the ocean in the background I can't be sure, but I'm guessing it's likely they were from the same house also. They did often seem to actually take advantage of all parts of a house needed when a set wasn't used. It may have been shot at the house next door though, with "Icepick's" house in the background. Like I said, I'm not certain about this part.

So it does appear that two different properties were used for Icepick's house. I wonder why they just didn't use the one from Death of the Flowers again. The first house is on a straight street so they couldn't show Magnum being sneaky and checking out the guards at the entrance from afar. Maybe that was one reason, or maybe not. By the way, that street Magnum is parked on dead ends into Diamond Head so Magnum would have had to drive past somewhat close at least to the guards and then turn around to park where he did. Just a useless Magnum fact. Wink

J.J. Walters · Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:23 pm Post subject:

Nice work rubber chicken!

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Herman · Lieutenant Junior Grade Joined: 28 Jan 2008 Posts: 10

Did I doze off while watching, or did they forget to explain exactly who killed Judge Kearns, and why?

Steve · Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 6:58 pm Post subject:

I have seen this episode a couple of times in syndication now, and for some reason the name of the episode is......"The Mentor".............
What is the tiltle on the DVD's as I don't have that season on DVD yet........

Steve
Chicago

golfmobile · Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 5:08 pm Post subject:

Shouldn't have started watching Sleuth today.

1. When Magnum and Carol are tailing the judge and Carol goes to get burgers, TM puts on his reading glasses and starts reading the Raymond Chandler book. But when he looks up and sees Carol bump into the judge and watches them, he doesn't REMOVE the READING glasses! He wouldn't be able to see squat with his "reading" glasses at a distance or he wouldn't need them only for reading.

2. Odd that TM is NOT with Carol at the funeral -- he's with Lt. Tanaka and Rick - and Icepick -- picking up Grace. Odd they would do their thing at the same time as the funeral, when Thomas has been so supportive of Carol throughout this episode.

See what you people have done to me?

golf

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