On Face Value (4.19)

Rate, review & discuss the episodes from the fourth season

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How Would You Rate This Episode?

10 (Perfect!)
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9.5 (One of the Best)
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9.0 (Excellent)
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8.5 (Very Good)
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8.0 (Pretty Good)
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7.5 (Decent)
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7.0 (Average at Best)
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6.5 (Not So Good)
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6.0 (Pretty Bad)
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#16 Post by Rutledal »

You say Magnum was shot in the shoulder during the final shootout, but I seem to recall him bleeding from the wrist.

Also I saw this season quite spread out so I don't recall, but was the Kiedash brothers Magnum's first (and only?) kills from this season?
So I made a Topic Page about Magnum, P.I. Check it out here.

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#17 Post by Doc Ibold »

Rutledal wrote:You say Magnum was shot in the shoulder during the final shootout, but I seem to recall him bleeding from the wrist.

Also I saw this season quite spread out so I don't recall, but was the Kiedash brothers Magnum's first (and only?) kills from this season?
Nope, he also killed Eric DeForrest a few episodes before in "Let the Punishment Fit The Crime"

But those are the only kills of Season 4.

Magnums bloodlust has been soothed... until Season 5 starts back up.

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#18 Post by Rutledal »

You know, I actually watched "Let the Punishment Fit The Crime" yesterday. I have incredibly bad memory.
So I made a Topic Page about Magnum, P.I. Check it out here.

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#19 Post by brunoffrance »

7 at the sunday familly table for a rate of 9 .
Seeing TM shooting the 2 guys make me remember the same type action of shooting made by Clint eastwood, aka Harry with his extra long S&W magnum .... the sound and the rage to kill .May be the same creation period ?
Great and sentimental episode.

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Very american 4 a french...

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#20 Post by firefly »

Higgy_baby wrote:Two things you gotta love about this episode:

1. Smoking in a hospital bed.
2. Nurse Wilson. (She's hot and I read she sings too)
agreed on both points.

the smoking reminds me of the scene in jaws when the mayor is having a cigarette in the hospital while talking to chief brodie.

smoking in a hospital, what were we thinking back then? i suppose that is one thing that has changed over the years that is a positive.

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#21 Post by No need to know! »

This is a episode that has grown on me over the years. The dialog is good, and it´s very sentimental. Great car chase aswell. And am i the only one who just love that ending? When the taxi leaves the estate, and then we see Magnum, and it almost looks like he has tears in his eyes while he gives a smile. I think that is a great short scene, music fits so nicely aswell.
Scenes like that one makes this show so great.
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#22 Post by zebra3 »

One of the best episodes I've seen in season four by far. Emotional heft and great action take it above and beyond other ones.
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#23 Post by nha trang »

I found this episode somewhat cheesy. So far in the series it seems to tie for worst episode with basketball willie. I do appreciate the point of showing some kind of balance to the regular displays of force on the series. Maybe the writers wanted to show that sometimes things don't go right and people get hurt. I think the episode does get too heavy at times, so to me it is effective at portraying the questioning and the guilt and all of the horrifying emotions that one would have after having something so horrible happen and being a part of it. The best part of the episode for me is definitely the car chase and getting to see the tidal pool. The scene where the volkswagon flips was perfectly executed, I agree.

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#24 Post by miltontheripper »

I think this is a pretty decent episode. I always like seeing Carol even though yet again she caused a lot of trouble for TM. It was interesting when Higgins was relating his similar situation from the past with the British soldier he had killed and it seemed like one of the times the two could really relate to each other. I liked the fact that TM manned up to what he thought was his responsibility and showed as usual that he's a really good guy. As always one of the many traits that make him such a likeable character and made the show so great. Great gunfight scene at the end!

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#25 Post by Croix de Lorraine »

nha trang wrote:So far in the series it seems to tie for worst episode with basketball willie.
That's a serious accusation!

The whole 'caring Magnum' theme seems to be a plot to recruit a female audience a few seasons into the show.

I think I spotted a flub. When Magnum drives the girl to rehab and the baddies engage them in a car chase, Magnum tells her to get down, and down she is in the close shots, but when in the more distant shots her double is clearly seen sitting straight as an arrow.

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#26 Post by Bes »

Superb episode! Just as good on 2nd viewing.

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#27 Post by snp389 »

I have always felt this is one of the best episodes of the entire series.
I don't know why it appeals to me, other than I believe it to be the underlying morality and honour of TSM, and supported so strongly and fatherly by JQH.
The end scene, when Emily leaves, is one of the best pieces of acting by Tom Selleck ever! Real impact.
Talia Balsam was perfectly cast in the role of Emily! Perfect innocence.
Interesting to see the legend stuntman Buddy Joe Hooker as one of the Kiedash brothers. in 1979 when I was 10years old, he was in Australia working on a now Australian cult Vietnam War movie "The Odd Angry Shot"; a movie about the Australian SAS in Vietnam. The location in which it was filmed is the Kokoda Barracks, Land Warfare Centre, Canungra in South East Queensland, which was where I was living at the time. I've since had to attend military courses there in my Army career. Small world.

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#28 Post by Stelth »

I just finished watching this episode and I thought it was very good. I gave it a 9. I liked the car chases and the climax when Thomas shot it out with the scumbag bros. Excellent .45 action! I also liked the hot nurse...she looked more like a porn star than a health care professional (that is a compliment)

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#29 Post by Doc Fred »

I don't recall seeing this episode before today. To me, it's the best show of the entire series, even topping "Have You Seen The Sunrise". I absolutely loved the depth that Magnum and Higgins both showed, what they are deep within themselves, and the true relationship between them. Absolutely terrific.

I did note a very obvious flub. When Magnum was taking the surveillance pictures at the beginning, he was on a ridge overlooking the warehouse. But, one of the alleged views through the camera was taken from a low angle, looking up at the bad guys... and then that same view was shown in one of the pictures Magnum supposedly took (when Carol showed him the pictures). If Magnum was on the ridge looking down, how could the picture be taken from below the subjects?

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snp389: "I have always felt this is one of the best episodes of the entire series.
I don't know why it appeals to me, other than I believe it to be the underlying morality and honour of TSM, and supported so strongly and fatherly by JQH."

I could not agree more.

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