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How Would You Rate This Episode?
10 (Perfect!) 3%  3%  [ 3 ]
9.5 (One of the Best) 16%  16%  [ 15 ]
9.0 (Excellent) 29%  29%  [ 27 ]
8.5 (Very Good) 34%  34%  [ 31 ]
8.0 (Pretty Good) 8%  8%  [ 7 ]
7.5 (Decent) 4%  4%  [ 4 ]
7.0 (Average at Best) 4%  4%  [ 4 ]
6.5 (Not So Good) 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
6.0 (Pretty Bad) 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
5.0 (Just Awful) 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Total votes : 92
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 Post subject: Re: Italian Ice (2.16)
PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2015 12:02 am 
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Rating 8.5 [Very Good]

I remember loving and completely accepting Magnum sneaking around and going in like a commando when he rescues Katrina in the villa in "Sicily", :wink: so this episode brings back some good childhood memories.

There's plenty of anti-"Higgins-is-Robin-Masters" sentiment in Italian Ice, as Katrina tells the story of when a mere "servant" defeated both her father and Robin Masters at chess. This is the kind of rational stuff that puts to shame the last-second, "Wouldn't it be a great idea, if...?" nonsense that was shoehorned into MPI towards the end of the (largely) glorious series run.

I like a lot about this episode. The gang working together, including a gunshot Higgins disregarding his own life in order to warn Thomas of psychobabe Katrina (Ann Dusenberry, who was superb) who was coming for Margo.

Speaking of Margo, let me add to the chorus of praise for the delightful Mimi Rogers. Not only does she look great here, but she and Tom Selleck had fantastic on-screen chemistry together. Mimi Rogers combines the best aspects of Mary Steenbergen in terms of her speaking voice as well as somehow reminding me of Dana Delany's mannerisms; it all comes together beautifully. I wish we had seen Margo a few more times down the years.

Jean Claudio-as-The-Marchese was merely okay, though he did toss out some great Bellisario-penned dialogue in his scenes at the hotel. I did get the impression that he was a worthy and dangerous adversary, though. That's more because of Lenny Montana as the bodyguard; the guy was naturally hilarious! I liked the homage to the The Godfather, Part II with the way the Marchese's armed gunmen were dressed like those in Sicily in that film.

Lots of good scenes in the guesthouse. I never realized that Magnum's bedroom had a closet (d'oh!) and it just about lines up to the stairway on the other side of the wall, or does it?

Rick mentions Five-0, which is always a welcome reference. What a long shadow the older program cast over Magnum, P.I. at that time. I appreciate the respect given to McGarrett and co. Of course, MPI would become a legend in its own right by the fourth season.

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 Post subject: Re: Italian Ice (2.16)
PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2015 10:25 am 
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Rating 8.5 [Very Good]

Speaking of Margo, let me add to the chorus of praise for the delightful Mimi Rogers. Not only does she look great here, but she and Tom Selleck had fantastic on-screen chemistry together. Mimi Rogers combines the best aspects of Mary Steenbergen in terms of her speaking voice as well as somehow reminding me of Dana Delany's mannerisms; it all comes together beautifully. I wish we had seen Margo a few more times down the years.



Agreed!

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 Post subject: Re: Italian Ice (2.16)
PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 3:16 am 
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Little Garwood wrote:
Rating 8.5 [Very Good]

There's plenty of anti-"Higgins-is-Robin-Masters" sentiment in Italian Ice, as Katrina tells the story of when a mere "servant" defeated both her father and Robin Masters at chess. This is the kind of rational stuff that puts to shame the last-second, "Wouldn't it be a great idea, if...?" nonsense that was shoehorned into MPI towards the end of the (largely) glorious series run.



I respectfully disagree ... Especially, upon a re-watch ... The First Pilot show (first scene); first "Magnum" - Self-talk - Opens up the plot question, of who really is in charge ? ... I'm not saying, a "hard" plot line, character arc, and/or narrative arc ...

But the question was out there from the very beginning ... This is obvious, in form and substance, especially if you recall the details and you have a military background (as both the Characters did ...)

Certainly either the writers or the "writers consultants" of Magnum-PI, had a knowledge of military life. Even the most creative minds, could not make up such nuance ...

One of the many reasons that War and Peace (fade to The Return of Luther H. Gillis :-)) , is so un-paralleled in all of Western Literature - Was that Leo Tolstoy, at one point, had been a combat soldier ...

The "Higgins-is-Robin-Masters," option was there right from the very start, I could do a point by point - but people seem to have their minds made up here (one-way or the other :-) ...

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 Post subject: Re: Italian Ice (2.16)
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This one had the best opening scene of all episodes. I really didn't worry about how TM got there or back to Hawaii for that matter as it seemed to be obvious that he did get there and the later scenes implied that he obviously got back and that was not the point of the scene anyway. The girlfriend (Mimi Rogers) character intrigued me but she was gone after the one episode which convinces me the writers, producers and directors did not want to put one girl in that "girlfriend" role for recurring parts. They wanted TS as TM to be available "beefcake" for all the damsels in distress even though Magnum made mention about not having relationships with clients due to the unprofessional aspect. A really fun plot, though, with twists and a great ending with the students thinking it was all acting. By the way, nowadays if you actually did play out the intimate kissing scene shown between instructor and student there would probably be a sexual harassment complaint filed. I am not sure you could even do something like that between students.

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 Post subject: Re: Italian Ice (2.16)
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Forgot how funny it was that Higgins started to tell a story on the phone, even while shot, lying on the floor and bleeding!

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 Post subject: Re: Italian Ice (2.16)
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Great episode! I always imagined Magnum chuted in to the country side from RMs' private jet and had planned on procuring a ride back to the airfield from the bad guys estate. He deliberately took the keys out of the other cars and had a working knowledge of the grounds and where her bedroom was. Remember Magnum was a Navy SEAL. This was an easy snatch and grab probably planned on the long flight from Hawaii. The only thing I didn't understand was how he's tired and sleepy after the flight back, unless he partied the whole way back haha. Also imagine the penalty for having a pistol in a foreign country if he was caught. Katrina sure was loony tunes, did anyone else catch the glance she gave the bodyguard when he entered her room and TM was behind the door?? It was like she wanted to see them fight! As far as the kiss in drama class I'm pretty sure it was extended to make Tom a little jealous. All in all a wonderful episode.

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J.J. Walters wrote:
One of the classic early episodes featuring the wonderful Mimi Rogers as Magnum's girlfriend. This is one of those episodes that's very dark in tone (a female stalker, pre-Fatal Attraction, but post-Play Misty For Me), but is also filled with some great, humorous moments. The episode is bookended with two great scenes, and Higgie-Baby is shot. Don't miss this one.


Higgie-Baby could have done a better job of getting shot...not just flubbing on the couch!


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