Lest We Forget (1.10)

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Re: Lest We Forget (1.10)

#102 Post by Gorilla Mask »

Hi everyone, this is my first post on this great forum, Therefore, please be indulgent ... :wink:

Well, before you ask for it, yes i am french ! :roll: Thus, you might know that Magnum PI had a dazzling success in my country... back to the 80's !

Today the show is still remembered within the 40 and 50 old aged people.

However, 'Lest we forget' (in french "On n'oublie jamais") was one the few episodes i kept cristal clear from my little child memories. Maybe this was because my father told me a lot about Pearl Harbor attack just some time before i saw that perticular episode.

This opus could be rate among the top 15, from my point of view. Nevertheless, the plot around décember 7th tragedy surely did help a lot. Yes, the pace is quite slow, yes, i found (personally) Jose Ferrer not very convincing (and active...) in his search of his life's love. He seemed more annoyed about the bad fame he could harvest with the revealing of old stories... Of course this strange feeling for the audience just vanished (oddly) above USS Arizona...

By the way the previous message of #1 Buzzettes Fan confirms what i concluded: the scene of the meeting between Magnum and Judge caine was filmed in Bellows airfield Beachfront, just in the prolongation of the old WW2 airstrip.


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#103 Post by Gorilla Mask »

Not a flub, but a potential intended camouflage.

At the end onf the episode, the 'Limousine chase' sequence begins. I was supposed to take place at Pearl Harbor Memorial Theater, within Pearl Harbor Navy site itself.

Here is a little view from that place (from appromatively the same point of view of the episode - South-SouthWest to North-NorthWest) before the major overhaul of 2010:

https://ibb.co/3Fc2sDm

and here are some takes from the episode.

https://ibb.co/Sc14GL3
https://ibb.co/FHVsb0D
https://ibb.co/DRYz64H
https://ibb.co/4FyyPwP

As you can notice, the fact that the scene was entirely filmed on location is very unlikely. The immediate vicinity surounding the parking lot just does'nt match. You can see hills, electrical/phone poles and lines, residential/commercial area and backyards... Not an open space and horizon with Ford Island at the background or Port apparatus/surroundings !

My best guess is that - for administrative or security reason, the Executive Producer was not granted acess to the military port (still under US NAVY jurisdiction) to settle the Limousine chase scene. So the Filming Team needed to make some takes somewhere in Honolulu suburbs. During film editing , they just split up the sequence between both group of takes. That is why there is no traveling or global sequence shot of it.

Any other idea ? :higgins:
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#104 Post by K Hale »

It is indeed shot on location at the Pearl Harbor visitor center. And you do in fact see both Ford Island and the port apparatus!

I've been there twice and the area has changed GREATLY since this was filmed. Here are some comparison shots. Sorry these are a little large...

First, here is a shot of Rick and his limo in the parking lot. Behind Rick you can see some bushes that are at the end of a hill leading off to camera left.

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Below is the modern Google street view from the parking lot. I can't get the camera to be in the same exact spot but this is close. The same hill is still there, but the bushes have been removed. That white building in the center of the photo and its small parking area are new.

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Rick talking to the other limo driver. Behind the limo driver's back is the entrance to the parking area.

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Same parking area entrance, between the white van and the red and white striped pole.

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The two shots below are also real. That is the dock the tour boats leave from to visit the Arizona Memorial, visible in the distance to the left of the tour boat, and the land on the other side of it is Ford Island. The Navy ships are out of camera view to the left, so you don't see those. The concrete structure Magnum is running into in the second photo is the theater and museum.

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Google view of the dock.

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This area is NOT, however, visible from the parking area where Rick is! Magnum shouts to Rick, "Stop him!" and Rick is apparently able to see Magnum jumping off the tour boat, but this is impossible! Below, the red X in the parking lot is Rick. The green X at lower left is Magnum! But he's acting like Rick is right on the other side of the building!

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Here the limo driver is about to get into his car. In upper right you can see two buildings. These buildings are still there.

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The camera lens used in the show made the shot look very compressed, making the buildings look much closer than they are in real life. This Google street view is taken from across the highway in another parking area, not the one in the show. The two buildings can be seen in the center.

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Cropped image of the two buildings as they look in the show:

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Now here is where they might have gone off site. I cannot find that building nor remember seeing it there. Perhaps the whole thing was torn down and renovated some time after 1980? It seems weird that they would go off site for just this one brief shot.

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EDITED TO ADD: I just saw your other post in the Rubber Chicken thread. That is definitely the same design as the Tree of Life sculpture, but that is a freestanding slab, not part of an elongated thing like we see in the show. It's standing by itself inside the complex, not next to a parking lot. And it's white, not beige. Could the modern Tree of Life be trimmed down (so to speak) from the original one that was by the parking lot? And this still doesn't explain the building in the show to the right of the old Tree of Life. Below is a photo of the TOL as it now stands. The theater is on the right, on the far side of those benches.

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Here is a map showing the modern day Tree of Life location. Nowhere near a parking area. It's circled in green, not exactly where the red pointer is.

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OK, back to the parking lot! Here the limo guy drives away...

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...and here Rick is chasing after him. The parking lot has changed so greatly since then that at first I thought the actual car chase WAS filmed off site -- but it wasn't.

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Magnum and Rick are about to get into their car. The car has not been moved, it shows the same background as before when it was verified as in the Pearl Harbor visitor center parking lot.

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There is a fast cut to a closeup of the guys getting in the car. I thought this was the part where they switched to the "other" parking lot, but it isn't -- all elements/details of the ground are the same. Same manhole cover by the left front tire, same bits of trash/etc on the ground.

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Magnum gives chase through the same parking lot as the limo guy.

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Looking in the same direction Magnum went, this is the view today.

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Re: Lest We Forget (1.10)

#105 Post by Gorilla Mask »

Impressive investigation K. Hale ! :D Thanks for having dissipated this 'shadow zone' once for all :wink:

Since i never been (unfortunately :cry: ) there, it was really difficult to figure out if the sequence was filmed at the genuine place or not.

Again you made a very relevant point here and substantiate one of Napoléon Bonaparte's principles: " Every General battle plan is beaten by battlefield trial". There is nothing to replace knowledge on the field ! :wink:

However, regarding the last part of your post, if you consider the following image taken before 2010 (sorry for the mere quality):

https://ibb.co/K0vK59h

then, this one, from 2004 (well before the major overhaul):

https://ibb.co/LgqWjSF

finally, this from 2019:

https://ibb.co/4fGdKJ4

You may notice that the old parking lot seemed to have been scrapped (somewhat reduced in size ?)and moved westward in 2009/2010 at the benefit of the actual extended visitors complex. Futhermore, the previous Theater Pavilion was scrapped too, so the 1980 scene was probably filmed where Aloha Court is currently standing.

Also, as you noticed it: the Tree of Life seemed to have been moved and placed in a lone vertical slab. Its orientation has been altered too.

However Google Earth is not precise enough to certify it... :?
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#106 Post by ensignwickes »

Not sure I can even describe why, but one of my favorite episodes. Just watched again last night

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#107 Post by terryfromkerry »

I agree totally. The flashbacks were so evocative of the period. The use of the son and daughter of the participating senior actors for the roles was inspired. The story also had shades of From Here To Eternity and Casablanca. Scatman Crothers cameo as Tickler was an added touch of class. It is a very memorable and cinematic episode. :)
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#108 Post by Pahonu »

Agreed! It’s in my top five for the excellent first season.

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#109 Post by ensignwickes »

I love the transition on the beach from 1984 to Magnum and the ferrari driving in. Can't help but smile. I was in Hawaii in 03 and visited Pearl Harbor. I ran back in to the gift shop as we were about to leave. I think the same path that Magnum runs to catch the escaping limo. Ever think about how Magnum takes the beer from Maku with him in the Ferrari. We never see it, but it is implied. Times have changed.

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#110 Post by Pahonu »

ensignwickes wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:02 pm I love the transition on the beach from 1984 to Magnum and the ferrari driving in. Can't help but smile. I was in Hawaii in 03 and visited Pearl Harbor. I ran back in to the gift shop as we were about to leave. I think the same path that Magnum runs to catch the escaping limo. Ever think about how Magnum takes the beer from Maku with him in the Ferrari. We never see it, but it is implied. Times have changed.
I remember that scene well with the beer. Times have changed! How about trusting a guy you just met to drive off with your granddaughter? :shock:

That transition you mention is another good example of the interesting photography used in the first season. We’ve had a few comments on that topic in the watch party thread.

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T.Q. wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 8:22 pm

I like the music before Magnum met the judge in the beginning.
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#112 Post by T.Q. »

Nice.

Thanks for the reminder.
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ensignwickes wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:02 pm I love the transition on the beach from 1984 to Magnum and the ferrari driving in. Can't help but smile. I was in Hawaii in 03 and visited Pearl Harbor. I ran back in to the gift shop as we were about to leave. I think the same path that Magnum runs to catch the escaping limo. Ever think about how Magnum takes the beer from Maku with him in the Ferrari. We never see it, but it is implied. Times have changed.
I was also in Hawaii in ‘03 and the day we were headed for Pearl was such a disappointment. It was closed because The President had some last minute event there and it was closed to the public! We tried to make it another day, but an emergency at home cut out trip short.

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ensignwicke wrote: Ever think about how Magnum takes the beer from Maku with him in the Ferrari. We never see it, but it is implied. Times have changed.
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One of the best episodes...Top 10 in my book.
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#116 Post by ENSHealy »

I was thinking about this episode recently while watching the 1938 version of Christmas Carol, in which a very young June Lockhart appears. Just checked her IMDB page and she's worked as recently as 2021. Now that is a career!
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