Just finished Episode 1 and I like it so far.

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marlboro wrote:I just don't get the "it's better than nothing" argument. If you like it, that's fine, but I don't know why someone would watch a bad show because it has superficial similarities to one that they like.
"Bad" is subjective. The people who are still watching the reboot, by and large, seem to view it as not as good as the beloved original, but with some redeeming qualities and the possibility of improving.

Those "superficial similarities" do a good job of tapping into the desire of Magnum junkies to get another hit. That said, if someone truly thinks the reboot is bad, they'll simply stop watching at some point. You and many others just happened to reach that threshold very quickly. Fundamentally, though, I don't think your outlook is really so different: Most people will stop watching a bad show when they've had enough.

Since Hawaii 5-0 gets brought up on occasion on this forum, I can give my own anecdotal experience, which is that I lasted about two seasons until the incessant over-the-top cartoon action and (in my opinion) bad writing put me off. Some people may have only lasted an episode, and some of us on this forum are presumably still watching it.

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marlboro wrote:Just because I love pork, it doesn't mean I'm gonna eat chitlins just because they're as close as I can get to country ham.
Marlboro,
You'uns darn near knocked the bung out of the pickle barrel with that one, you sound just like one of the pea pickers from down in the next Hollar.
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I am enjoying the new show, and I always enjoyed the original. I like that there is new life in Magnum fandom even though my liking the new show has been subject to ridicule here. To each their own; I'm glad the second season has been announced.

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LZeitgeist wrote:I am enjoying the new show, and I always enjoyed the original. I like that there is new life in Magnum fandom even though my liking the new show has been subject to ridicule here. To each their own; I'm glad the second season has been announced.

I've enjoyed some aspects of the new show and hope they have a long run. I do hope they start to get some things right though. I'd like to see the creative team move towards more similar stories like the original, and I'd like to see the characters be less co-dependent. I really don't car to have Higgins (as cute as she is) always tagging along with Magnum on every aspect of every case. He's a Navy Seal, he should be able to cross the street on his own without an escort. :cry:

I think there are more examples of fundamental things that fly in the face of fans here. When you do that (read writers and directors of the new show) you are going to alienate fans of the original. Having said that, they can rectify there errors and go on to make some great shows. The choice is theirs to make.

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The main thing that irritates me about any new shows is the fact that every actor is overacting. They are almost like a reality show. As soon as a person knows a camera is on, they go into 'ham' mode.

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Chris109 wrote:The main thing that irritates me about any new shows is the fact that every actor is overacting. They are almost like a reality show. As soon as a person knows a camera is on, they go into 'ham' mode.
Really? I felt the opposite. One can't help but compare this iteration to the original series. Jay seems almost laconic compared to Selleck's Magnum. Complete lack of excitement.

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perfectlykevin wrote:
Chris109 wrote:The main thing that irritates me about any new shows is the fact that every actor is overacting. They are almost like a reality show. As soon as a person knows a camera is on, they go into 'ham' mode.
Really? I felt the opposite. One can't help but compare this iteration to the original series. Jay seems almost laconic compared to Selleck's Magnum. Complete lack of excitement.
I agree. Modern acting basically consists of people mumbling/slurring their lines and whispering. The days of clear enunciation and more animated/pronounced acting (I always think of the great Jack Lord) are long gone which is a great shame. I agree about Jay - he looks bored when he's talking on camera. He looks annoyed. Like he'd rather be elsewhere. But that's modern acting - everyone behaves like a bored cynic. Compare to Selleck. Remember that infectious "little girl" laugh he used to make? Remember him prancing around and acting silly and sneaking into wine cellars, guest houses, past dogs, etc? Remember him breaking the 4th wall and mugging at the camera with a big infectious silly grin on his face??? Or other weird silly facial expressions?? There was a lot of physical comedy and acting in Selleck's performance. Remember Selleck blowing up at Capt. Cooley in the pilot?? Or at Buck Greene in any of those episodes??? Now that's what I call "acting". Where is any of this in Jay's performance? He's on auto-pilot all the time - Mr. Safe. He's neither mischievous nor forceful. He's Mr. Bland.

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IvanTheTerrible wrote: (I always think of the great Jack Lord)...
"Exactly! Ex-actly!"

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IvanTheTerrible wrote: Jay seems almost laconic compared to Selleck's Magnum. Complete lack of excitement.
I agree. Modern acting basically consists of people mumbling/slurring their lines and whispering. The days of clear enunciation and more animated/pronounced acting (I always think of the great Jack Lord) are long gone which is a great shame. I agree about Jay - he looks bored when he's talking on camera. He looks annoyed. Like he'd rather be elsewhere. But that's modern acting - everyone behaves like a bored cynic. Compare to Selleck. Remember that infectious "little girl" laugh he used to make? Remember him prancing around and acting silly and sneaking into wine cellars, guest houses, past dogs, etc? Remember him breaking the 4th wall and mugging at the camera with a big infectious silly grin on his face??? Or other weird silly facial expressions?? There was a lot of physical comedy and acting in Selleck's performance. Remember Selleck blowing up at Capt. Cooley in the pilot?? Or at Buck Greene in any of those episodes??? Now that's what I call "acting". [/quote]

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IvanTheTerrible wrote:
perfectlykevin wrote:
Chris109 wrote:The main thing that irritates me about any new shows is the fact that every actor is overacting. They are almost like a reality show. As soon as a person knows a camera is on, they go into 'ham' mode.
Really? I felt the opposite. One can't help but compare this iteration to the original series. Jay seems almost laconic compared to Selleck's Magnum. Complete lack of excitement.
I agree. Modern acting basically consists of people mumbling/slurring their lines and whispering. The days of clear enunciation and more animated/pronounced acting (I always think of the great Jack Lord) are long gone which is a great shame. I agree about Jay - he looks bored when he's talking on camera. He looks annoyed. Like he'd rather be elsewhere. But that's modern acting - everyone behaves like a bored cynic. Compare to Selleck. Remember that infectious "little girl" laugh he used to make? Remember him prancing around and acting silly and sneaking into wine cellars, guest houses, past dogs, etc? Remember him breaking the 4th wall and mugging at the camera with a big infectious silly grin on his face??? Or other weird silly facial expressions?? There was a lot of physical comedy and acting in Selleck's performance. Remember Selleck blowing up at Capt. Cooley in the pilot?? Or at Buck Greene in any of those episodes??? Now that's what I call "acting". Where is any of this in Jay's performance? He's on auto-pilot all the time - Mr. Safe. He's neither mischievous nor forceful. He's Mr. Bland.
Bingo!! I completely agree. I miss those mannerisms from Magnum. I miss those mannerisms from Higgins. Delivering the OMG without the exclamation points just falls flat. :P

Also, along a similar vein, remember such conversations between Jim Bonnick and Magnum about the bonnet/front trunk in "Mac's Back" We don't get those anymore. It was almost vaudevillian in delivery, but instead we get ho-hum performances. I thought we'd get better by now at this point in the reboot but sadly it isn't the case.

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[quote="IvanTheTerrible" [/quote]
I agree. Modern acting basically consists of people mumbling/slurring their lines and whispering. The days of clear enunciation and more animated/pronounced acting (I always think of the great Jack Lord) are long gone which is a great shame. I agree about Jay - he looks bored when he's talking on camera. He looks annoyed. Like he'd rather be elsewhere. But that's modern acting - everyone behaves like a bored cynic. Compare to Selleck. Remember that infectious "little girl" laugh he used to make? Remember him prancing around and acting silly and sneaking into wine cellars, guest houses, past dogs, etc? Remember him breaking the 4th wall and mugging at the camera with a big infectious silly grin on his face??? Or other weird silly facial expressions?? There was a lot of physical comedy and acting in Selleck's performance. Remember Selleck blowing up at Capt. Cooley in the pilot?? Or at Buck Greene in any of those episodes??? Now that's what I call "acting". Where is any of this in Jay's performance? He's on auto-pilot all the time - Mr. Safe. He's neither mischievous nor forceful. He's Mr. Bland.[/quote]

Beautiful, Ivan, you put it perfectly. Jay is isn't inhabiting the Magnum character, he's just reciting lines.

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#28 Post by Higgins (aka Bondtoys) »

I've finished episode 8 now and the series is growing more and more with me.

I find the storylines at most (well the fish story was really bad...) pretty interesting and Hernandez' acting seems having improved a bit.

I see lots of small nods and elements from the old series still, the location shots are still spectacular (but rarer than with the original series).

Juliet Higgins is growing more and more with me. I find it a smart move instead of finding someone similar to Hillerman to try a totally different approach.

That aside, someone rightly corrected me when I was very controversial about watches many years ago, that Magnum Mania is a friendly forum where people relax and unwind and are polite and friendly.

Not sure if that's still the case when I see the mostly negative threads about the reboot.
Tastes and opinions vary and I totally accept this. But the amount of hate that is shown in many of the comments really put me off.

I mean, we used to love all elements of the old shows. It was a positive approach. It was and still is love!
And just because the estate is not the same (how can it be), the actors are different (god fobid they would be similar - all the hate about being just miserable copies that never could stand water with the original), many elements and storylines are modernized, some people get totally negative instead of appreciating what is still there from the original series. And there is still a lot!

Particularly interesting to hearing from people's take while at the same time they say, that they have only watched 3 minutes from the trailer.

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Maybe a snark free "positive opinions" thread would be a good idea?

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Bondtoys.de wrote:I've finished episode 8 now and the series is growing more and more with me.

I find the storylines at most (well the fish story was really bad...) pretty interesting and Hernandez' acting seems having improved a bit.
I see lots of small nods and elements from the old series still, the location shots are still spectacular (but rarer than with the original series).
Juliet Higgins is growing more and more with me. I find it a smart move instead of finding someone similar to Hillerman to try a totally different approach.
That aside, someone rightly corrected me when I was very controversial about watches many years ago, that Magnum Mania is a friendly forum where people relax and unwind and are polite and friendly.
Not sure if that's still the case when I see the mostly negative threads about the reboot.
Tastes and opinions vary and I totally accept this. But the amount of hate that is shown in many of the comments really put me off.
I mean, we used to love all elements of the old shows. It was a positive approach. It was and still is love!
And just because the estate is not the same (how can it be), the actors are different (god fobid they would be similar - all the hate about being just miserable copies that never could stand water with the original), many elements and storylines are modernized, some people get totally negative instead of appreciating what is still there from the original series. And there is still a lot!
Particularly interesting to hearing from people's take while at the same time they say, that they have only watched 3 minutes from the trailer.
Hi Bondtoys,
If you are going to do a reboot of Magnum PI the casting of Magnum determines everything else. Magnum is a larger than life character, the role requires needs a larger
than life actor, it's a visual medium and having a big man like Selleck conveys many qualities without having to spell it out.
Yes I know in real life size doesn't matter, for instance the most decorated soldier in US history was five foot five Audie Murphy. But for a leading man/hero in a
TV series Jay just doesn't have a commanding physical presence and his acting isn't nearly good enough to make up for it. Alan Ladd was even shorter than Jay, that's why
he was so often paired with the tiny bomb shell Veronica Lake. But Ladd commanded the screen with his talent, he could act, even if he had to stand on boxes in scenes
with taller actors, just check him out in the immortal film Shane.
What it comes down to is it's the producers fault, they miscast a boyish Jay - lose the facial hair and he looks 15 - as a leading man and for me that taints everything.
Now Perdita can act and she is definitely a woman and the producers are wisely beefing up her role into being Magnum's de facto partner.
Bond, there was one thread where things got personal and I didn't care for it either but otherwise Magnum Mania does a good job of policing it's own.
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