How to avoid getting shot and killed by George Zimmerman

[The Birdman]

That's still not the point of the article.

I give up. What is the point?

[Doc Ibold]

I've started writing and deleted, rewrote, then deleted, then wrote again before I finally decided to say "(blank) it.. It's not worth it.

Which is to say, nothing was particularly partisan or inflammatory about what I was going to write. I just don't want to ignite a firestorm here.. and frankly, Im kind of sick of the whole story.

But, to answer the question:

My belief and take away from the article is that the truth lies in the middle and that both sides that have been polarized by the media need to take a long hard look at the story as a whole from a neutral viewpoint. We don't know what happened that night, and probably never will.

Anything else is pure speculation.

[Stelth]

I liked your article.

[ConchRepublican]

I've started writing and deleted, rewrote, then deleted, then wrote again before I finally decided to say "(blank) it.. It's not worth it.

Which is to say, nothing was particularly partisan or inflammatory about what I was going to write. I just don't want to ignite a firestorm here.. and frankly, Im kind of sick of the whole story.

But, to answer the question:

My belief and take away from the article is that the truth lies in the middle and that both sides that have been polarized by the media need to take a long hard look at the story as a whole from a neutral viewpoint. We don't know what happened that night, and probably never will.

Anything else is pure speculation.

Well said.

I'll add .... I don't believe that "because they said that I can say this" was something to have been gotten from the article either. Quite the opposite. I understand the frustration around this case, but I have always felt that dealing from a position of Right, as in having facts correct and verified and saying and doing the Right Thing, apart from any agenda, is what's important. As Commissioner Reagan said (paraphrasing) "doing what's right isn't complicated .... It's hard, but it's not complicated".

The media has an agenda, that doesn't mean they have to drag everyone down to their level.

[grundle]

I agree with Barkley:


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... rdict.html

Charles Barkley On Zimmerman Trial: "I Agree With The Verdict"

July 18, 2013

CHARLES BARKLEY: Well, I agreed with the verdict. I feel sorry that young kid got killed. But they didn't have enough evidence to charge him. Something clearly went wrong that night. Clearly something went wrong. I feel bad for anybody who loses a kid, but if you looked at the case and you don't make it -- there was some racial profiling, no question about it. But something happened that changed the dynamic of that night, and I know -- that's probably not a popular opinion among most people but just looking at the evidence I agreed with the verdict.

I just feel bad because I don't like when race gets out in the media because I don't think the media has a pure heart, as I call it. There are very few people have a pure heart when it comes to race. Racism is wrong in any, shape, form -- a lot of black people are racist too. I think sometimes when people talk about racism, they say only white people are racist. There are a lot of black people who are racist. I don't like when it gets out there in the media because I don't think the media has clean hands.

MARIA BARTIROMO, CNBC: I'm glad you made that point.

BARKLEY: Obviously I feel sorry that young kid got killed but just judging by the evidence, I don't think that guy should have went to jail the rest of his life. Something happened bad that night, obviously.

BARTIROMO: I like what the juror said, they both should have walked away. And if there is a shadow of a doubt, there is a shadow of a doubt.

BARKLEY: And let me tell you, Mr. Zimmerman was wrong to pursue -- he was racial profiling. I think Trayvon Martin, God rest his soul, I think he did flip the switch and started beating the hell out of Mr. Zimmerman. But it was just a bad situation. And like I said, the main thing I feel bad for, it gives every black and white person who is racist a platform to vent their ignorance.

That's the thing that bothers me the most because I watched this trial closely and I watch all these people are television talking about it. A lot of people have a hidden agenda. You know, they want their racist views, whether they are white or black --

BARTIROMO: The bias comes out.

BARKLEY: The bias, it definitely comes out. It was a bad situation, we all lost. And I feel bad for his parents. You don't ever want to see anybody lose a kid. (CNBC Closing Bell, July 18, 2013)

[ConchRepublican]

I thought Barkley came across very well regarding this, I mostly agree with him as well.

Here's another very good interview/rebuttal regarding the case.

http://youtu.be/-Nd1SJQRGto

[grundle]

I thought Barkley came across very well regarding this, I mostly agree with him as well.

Here's another very good interview/rebuttal regarding the case.

http://youtu.be/-Nd1SJQRGto

I'm a long term fan of Larry Elder's written work, but I think his behavior in this video was quite rude. I actually agree more with what Piers said. And I'm no liberal.

[ConchRepublican]

I thought Barkley came across very well regarding this, I mostly agree with him as well.

Here's another very good interview/rebuttal regarding the case.

http://youtu.be/-Nd1SJQRGto

I'm a long term fan of Larry Elder's written work, but I think his behavior in this video was quite rude. I actually agree more with what Piers said. And I'm no liberal.

I hear you, but I think I can understand his frustration based upon his standpoint. Piers comes off as one of those high-minded detached types that takes a clinical view of all things. Very much a "let them eat cake" guy.

[Stelth]

I think Elder's affect reflects how frustrated he is over this issue. I'll bet he is tired of sanctimonious limousine liberals like Piers who pretend to be an ally of blacks when really they just make the situation worse.

[Luther's nephew Dobie]

What does all this have to do with Magnum P.I.?
I don't care what a person's political views are, if they are a Magnum fan that indicates good taste and judgement and they're a friend of mine. However once you start stirring the possum, passions can get inflamed. That happened a few years ago on the Route 66 site and it lost some good members.

[marlboro]

What does all this have to do with Magnum P.I.?
I don't care what a person's political views are, if they are a Magnum fan that indicates good taste and judgement and they're a friend of mine. However once you start stirring the possum, passions can get inflamed. That happened a few years ago on the Route 66 site and it lost some good members.

I agree. But if you hadn't bumped this old thread it would have likely stayed dead and buried.

Oh, God I just bumped it again. Let's agree to stop in one...two...

NOW!



p.s. "stirring the possum"? WTH?

[Luther's nephew Dobie]

What does all this have to do with Magnum P.I.?
I don't care what a person's political views are, if they are a Magnum fan that indicates good taste and judgement and they're a friend of mine. However once you start stirring the possum, passions can get inflamed. That happened a few years ago on the Route 66 site and it lost some good members.

I agree. But if you hadn't bumped this old thread it would have likely stayed dead and buried.
Oh, God I just bumped it again. Let's agree to stop in one...two...
NOW!
p.s. "stirring the possum"? WTH?

Hi Marlboro,
You have a point about reviving this thread. Unless there is a chorus of objections, can the Powers That Be please consider deep sixing this thread altogether, or better yet state that in the future political threads do not belong in Magnum Mania to begin with?
"Stirring the possum" is Australian slang for starting trouble. I have had some close Australian pals for years, you pick things up from each other.
I got them saying 'waddy ya nuts' and watching Magnum and they got me viewing Water Rats and saying 'stir the possum', 'hoon' and 'Buckley's(Chance)'.
But I absolutely refuse to say 'chook' instead of chicken. Somebody has got to teach dese mugs some proper English and I figure a Jersey guy is perfect for that.

[ConchRepublican]

What does all this have to do with Magnum P.I.?
I don't care what a person's political views are, if they are a Magnum fan that indicates good taste and judgement and they're a friend of mine. However once you start stirring the possum, passions can get inflamed. That happened a few years ago on the Route 66 site and it lost some good members.

I agree. But if you hadn't bumped this old thread it would have likely stayed dead and buried.
Oh, God I just bumped it again. Let's agree to stop in one...two...
NOW!
p.s. "stirring the possum"? WTH?

Hi Marlboro,
You have a point about reviving this thread. Unless there is a chorus of objections, can the Powers That Be please consider deep sixing this thread altogether, or better yet state that in the future political threads do not belong in Magnum Mania to begin with?
"Stirring the possum" is Australian slang for starting trouble. I have had some close Australian pals for years, you pick things up from each other.
I got them saying 'waddy ya nuts' and watching Magnum and they got me viewing Water Rats and saying 'stir the possum', 'hoon' and 'Buckley's(Chance)'.
But I absolutely refuse to say 'chook' instead of chicken. Somebody has got to teach dese mugs some proper English and I figure a Jersey guy is perfect for that.

This is one of those situations where passing on by would have better served the intent. This thread, topical at the time, lay undisturbed for almost three years. Both myself and Doc, now the site owner, commented on it and it was a pretty civil discussion about "facts".

You are correct, there are a lot of other places to go for politics and other matters not so polite if that's something one is interested in but Founding Father J.J. always took the stance that while it's not something he gets involved in, as long as it's kept civil he is very lenient with the "ban broom" and Doc has continued that philosophy.

I understand your concern and the potential for a flame war but we have one of the best group of people on the interwebs who post here and the VAST majority act and carry themselves like mature grownups.

While they build tiki bars, wear Hawai'ian shirts and the ball cap of a team they are not fans of while pining for an exotic red car and a well kept estate by the sea . . .

Now, let's talk about Curt Schilling.