Blood and Honor (6.10)

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Re: Blood and Honor (6.10)

#31 Post by Milton Collins »

Forgot to mention, great fight too! Loved seeing TM beat down the Allstate guy

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#32 Post by Little Garwood »

Milton Collins wrote:Forgot to mention, great fight too! Loved seeing TM beat down the Allstate guy
Here's Dennis Haysbert even younger, from nine-year-old me's favorite TV show, Buck Rogers in the 25th Century at least the first season, the second stunk to high heaven. lol

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I really liked this episode and it almost makes my Top 10 overall and would probably make my Top 10 Serious Episodes even though it had a little humor and a bed race. I also think the writers, producers and directors are clearly letting on that TM belongs in the Navy! I think the idea of TM re-upping was probably a second "plan B" idea or alternative ending to Limbo in Season 7.

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Doc Ibold wrote:The odd part about the whole thing was that Beta was (and actually still is) the higher quality of videotape recording/playback.
In comparable VCRs, VHS and Betamax are virtually indistinguishable in terms of quality (you would need sensitive instruments to tell the difference). Betamax got a reputation for higher quality "back in the day" because Sony came out with quality improvements before JVC did. For example, Beta had Hi-Fi audio first, but VHS had it soon thereafter. The original JVC "HQ" specification brought VHS completely on par with Betamax in terms of video recording/playback quality, but that specification was expensive to implement, and a lot of VHS manufacturers balked at it. JVC then dumbed down the specification to the point that the "HQ" label on a VHS machine was next to meaningless. However, there were machines made with the full original HQ specification, and those are every bit the equal of the best Betamax machines.
I work in advertising, and many of the studios that we work with still use Betas!

(Of course this is for commercial use only, but I was still shocked when I started out in the biz when one of my fist (and not to be last) assignments was to pull dubs and put them on a Beta SP!

Of course, the old Beta is going the way of the dinosaur now as technology changes...
That's Betacam, not Betamax; completely different thing. Betacam was a professional format, Betamax was a consumer format on par with VHS. Betamax recorded video in the composite domain, while Betacam recorded in the component domain (Y, R-Y, B-Y) and had quality approaching that of DVD (far beyond VHS or Betamax), i.e., NTSC broadcast quality. Betacam SP came along in '86, and was the highest quality version of analog Betacam. Digital Betacam, which came along in 1993, was even higher quality (slightly higher resolution than DVD, but with uncompressed digital video, which is obviously superior to the lossy MPEG-2 compression on DVD video), but that is a completely different thing; Betacam-in-name-only.

Many TV shows from the early 1980s to early 1990s were shot on Betacam / Betacam SP, especially sitcoms. Practically all news broadcasts, TV commercials, sporting events, concerts, etc., during that time were also shot on Betacam. Those are forever stuck at a quality level which is a bit below DVD. Fortunately, most 1-hour TV shows of the time, including Magnum, P.I., were shot on 35mm film; good 35mm movie film negatives can resolve to about 4K.

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#35 Post by thechickinthemiddle »

So back in the day, my dad, whose recording needs were comedies and long baseball games, opted for Betamax, which was already out of use by my childhood a few years later. :P We still have the old Beta tapes (taped from TV, and official Beta releases) and Betamax machine, though it has the downside of its pause feature not lasting and resuming after a short while. :roll: We younger folk take a lot of things for granted. :lol:

Simone Griffeth I largely know as Stan Zbornak's ex-wife Chrissy on The Golden Girls, so this role is as polar opposite as it gets to that character.

I don't know if this has been mentioned anywhere else on here, but Paul Burke (Admiral Hawkes) is the grandfather of actress Alia Shawkat.

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And the AllState guy! :lol: It's definitely the voice that gives it away. It's funnier now because Dennis Haysbert still does those ads to the present day, so the name will likely stick. :P

And while I agree it's always better when Rick, T.C. and co. are in larger roles, it's always funny when they see Magnum doing something unusual or secret (and they have no idea what's going on), and in this case think it's a mirage. :lol:

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#36 Post by brianw »

This was a pretty good ep, I liked it. Pedro Cerrano say "Fuck you Jobu, I do it myself."

So, about all these little flubs that get pointed out here, give me a break. There is NO WAY that back in the 80's anyone would recognize most of these mistakes, especially the differences in dates of birth and SSN from episodes three years prior. It must take hours on hours on hours of reviewing episodes for people to find all these little things today, and that is only possible with the Internet. And most people wouldn't know all the military flubs pointed out here, its just silly. I guess it makes people feel smart if they can say they noticed some silly minor mistake that takes away absolutely nothing from the show.

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brianw wrote:This was a pretty good ep, I liked it. Pedro Cerrano say "Fuck you Jobu, I do it myself."

So, about all these little flubs that get pointed out here, give me a break. There is NO WAY that back in the 80's anyone would recognize most of these mistakes, especially the differences in dates of birth and SSN from episodes three years prior. It must take hours on hours on hours of reviewing episodes for people to find all these little things today, and that is only possible with the Internet. And most people wouldn't know all the military flubs pointed out here, its just silly. I guess it makes people feel smart if they can say they noticed some silly minor mistake that takes away absolutely nothing from the show.
i know that a lot of flubs are pointed out and sometimes it seems a little over the top but some are extremely obvious to all and many are obvious only to those who have a special interest or hobby. In one of the new Magnum episodes there was mention of a player for the St. Louis Browns at a time after the Browns moved from St. Louis and became the Baltimore Orioles. Only a baseball fan/historian (I call myself a student of baseball history) would pick up on such a small detail but I would pick up on it instantly without the need of hours and hours of reviewing episodes. I defer to those who have special interests in times, dates, numbers, cars, helicopters, guns, etc., etc and marvel at some of them. Viva la difference!!!

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KingKC wrote:
brianw wrote:This was a pretty good ep, I liked it. Pedro Cerrano say "Fuck you Jobu, I do it myself."

So, about all these little flubs that get pointed out here, give me a break. There is NO WAY that back in the 80's anyone would recognize most of these mistakes, especially the differences in dates of birth and SSN from episodes three years prior. It must take hours on hours on hours of reviewing episodes for people to find all these little things today, and that is only possible with the Internet. And most people wouldn't know all the military flubs pointed out here, its just silly. I guess it makes people feel smart if they can say they noticed some silly minor mistake that takes away absolutely nothing from the show.
i know that a lot of flubs are pointed out and sometimes it seems a little over the top but some are extremely obvious to all and many are obvious only to those who have a special interest or hobby. In one of the new Magnum episodes there was mention of a player for the St. Louis Browns at a time after the Browns moved from St. Louis and became the Baltimore Orioles. Only a baseball fan/historian (I call myself a student of baseball history) would pick up on such a small detail but I would pick up on it instantly without the need of hours and hours of reviewing episodes. I defer to those who have special interests in times, dates, numbers, cars, helicopters, guns, etc., etc and marvel at some of them. Viva la difference!!!
Agreed. It is fun to find mistakes, and some are glaringly obvious, as you said. It just seems like a lot of people act like they are the only ones to find these flubs, when in reality they are just copying and pasting them from somewhere else. And I love this show, but I would never dream of memorizing dates of birth or other fairly insignificant details from a show that aired for eight years! Just my two cents. Also, sometimes when the stunt man is so obvious (especially when Higgins fights), I believe its left in there as a comedy bit, because it really is pretty funny to see.

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#39 Post by K Hale »

Speaking of Higgins, in the cause of justice I just want to say he is the real hero of the bed race. Magnum got the glory at the finish line, but Higgins did all the work. :higgins:
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#40 Post by Gearhard »

Coops did an excellent job summarizing what the DD-214 (discharge form) should have looked like for awards. One thing that I think is an error is that despite having a Navy Cross (the blue/white ribbon worn upper right for the wearer - a personal award for valor in action against the enemy), Thomas Magnum does not have a Combat Action Ribbon (signifying the wearer received and returned fire against the enemy). Admiral Hawkes wears one (blue, yellow, red ribbon midway in his rack). I think Buck Greene wears one. I can forgive the lack of unit citations (PUC, NUC, or MUC - again, Hawkes and Greene have them), but no CAR for Magnum seems like an oversight. I need to check Orville's ribbons some time.

The Shore Patrol not saluting is more of a function of them escorting a prisoner and not saluting since it could distract them from their duties. Naval personnel could be "covered" (wearing a hat) inside when "under arms" (carrying a rifle, pistol, or even a duty belt). The uncovered Navy officer not returned the salute was the proper protocol.

Very deep in the weeds (or Magnum Jungle) on the DD-214 was the check box next to the eligible for the Veterans Education Assistance Program (VEAP). Magnum would have retained his Vietnam era GI Bill. (I admit I paused the DD-214 to exam it).

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#41 Post by nha trang »

A very good episode that I never commented on the first go round.

For a minute, it looked as if the Admiral had set Magnum up to take the fall for his son? At any rate, that seemed more like my luck rather than that of the perennial house guest of Mr. Masters...lol

I also agree that while the bed race was one of those special touches of the show, it did short Rick,TC and the Hig of the screen time they deserve and the bed scene could have been cut together with a bit more cinematographatic flourish for enhanced comedic effect.

Still, I am splitting hairs here, this episode is a keeper

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#42 Post by ENSHealy »

EPISODE: 6.10 Blood and Honor

Famous guest stars: 1 Dennis Haysbert
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I gave Dennis Haysbert a point for “famous guest star” even though he wasn’t famous then. I was going to just give a half point, but then I looked back and saw that Sharon Stone scored a full point on the Magnumometer, so I thought it only fair that Pedro Cerrano/The President/Mr. Good Hands get the same treatment.

Magnum notices that a Porsche would be hard to afford on a civil servant’s salary. Which raises two questions: 1) Why would the FBI put her in one for this undercover job? 2) If it’s actually hers…then the same suspicion Thomas had still stands, how does a young FBI agent afford one? (and again, why would the FBI let her use it undercover?) Granted, this is a universe in which covert tailing is routinely performed in a red Ferrari…but still.

After leaving Admiral Hawkes office, how did Alex know which hotel to go to?

What Andy says about not feeling like he could live up to his father’s expectations makes no sense. How is espionage going to raise him in his father’s esteem, exactly?
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#43 Post by Treadwell »

8, Pretty Good

The overlook by the tunnel--isn't that the same spot where a kidnapping exchange took place a few episodes back? If so, it was paved in the interim. Also, it seems they enter and exit from the same side of the tunnel. :)

The Admiral's voice was dubbed for the entire episode. Every single line. I wonder why.

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