Kiss of the Sabre (5.11)

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Re: Kiss of the Sabre (5.11)

#51 Post by thechickinthemiddle »

PickledEggPlease wrote:Just noticed today that in this episode, when we see Betty's hands typing on the typewriter, her nails are long and red, but when we pull back, they're short and a more neutral color. Nobody but this forum would appreciate my flub-spotting, I fear :)

You can always email it to Steve as well. :)

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PickledEggPlease wrote:Hello!
I am writing Descriptive Video for Magnum (for blind and partially-sighted viewers - we provide the voice that says "A man sneaks up behind Magnum" etc.) and so I'm watching every episode very closely. This site has been SUPER helpful in identifying stuff, so thanks.

Just noticed today that in this episode, when we see Betty's hands typing on the typewriter, her nails are long and red, but when we pull back, they're short and a more neutral color. Nobody but this forum would appreciate my flub-spotting, I fear :)

Welcome aboard,

I don't know if this would be helpful or not but here is a link with the episodes dialogue.I haven't checked the accuracy.

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#53 Post by 308GUY »

Welcome PEP!

Sounds like an interesting project.
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Re: Kiss of the Sabre (5.11)

#54 Post by PickledEggPlease »

Thanks for the kind welcome! And the link to the dialogue - very helpful indeed!

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Re: Kiss of the Sabre (5.11)

#55 Post by K Hale »

I realize everyone hates this episode, but... well... I find it amusing. I got a big kick out of the fictional characters. As someone said upthread, it's like a Robin Masters novel come to life.
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#56 Post by Mad Kudu Buck »

I think of this episode as similar to "Romancing the Stone" - where a female writer has fantasies that are totally unrelated to real life. That's why the actors are doing obviously fake (bad) acting.

The writer, Jay Huguely did quite a few stories that ripped off.. or were an homage to.. existing stories. (actually, I think Jay Huguely was a big part of the reason why later seasons sucked)

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#57 Post by Mad Kudu Buck »

marlboro wrote:Yates was pretty hot when she was young:

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Typical - once again, a well-known "blonde" turns out to be not blonde at all - just like Jean Harlow, Marylin Monroe, Farrah Fawcett, Susanne Sommers, Loni Anderson, Madonna, etc.. Are there any famous blondes that were actually blonde?

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#58 Post by RamblerReb »

MaximRecoil wrote:
RamblerReb wrote:The pistols Sabre, Winston, and Boris use to cooly dispatch their strangely enthusiastic assailants at the airstrip are suppressed Walther PPs (not PPKs).
I disagree, at least with regard to the one Hillerman was using:

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The barrel looks too short to be a PP. The other ones may or may not have been PPs; I couldn't get a close enough look at them to say for sure.
Notice how Tom Selleck doesn't flinch or blink while firing, showing him to be an experienced shooter, while John Hillerman does. Since the suppressors aren't real, on the actual location they would have been firing full-power blanks (necessary for the actions to function), and the reports would have been quite loud.
Selleck often, if not always, blinks when firing the usual Colt Government Model prop. Just watch the end of Memories Are Forever for a good closeup of it, for example. Mosley wasn't blinking in this scene either, which suggests that the silencers were in fact real. A real silencer is a good thing when firing blanks in an auto, because they increase back-pressure, which helps cycling. The modifications made to pistols to allow them to cycle blanks usually involve restricting the barrel to increase back-pressure, and in the case of recoil-operated pistols, they usually remove the locking lugs. The Walther PP/PPK is straight-blowback, so it doesn't have locking lugs in the first place. A real silencer could serve the function of increasing back-pressure to allow the blanks to cycle properly, especially if it was designed with that goal in mind.
The square root of 18 is 4.242640687119285. It might have taken Sabre a second or two to call in those heat-seekers.
It would have taken him literally forever, because, like π, the square root of 18 is an irrational number, i.e., it never repeats nor ends. For example, here it is to 999 decimal places, and that's not even a spit in the ocean of infinity:
4.242640687119285146405066172629094235709015626130
84421953003921397219743538632111655116260298292471
82050415386927368910747745081675522116379323644912
99807494239667997782516778267399851503458346181714
41032867991481791082360379058604418555225592266759
58286569876914529261429643525192878108839857542239
69061760189638995426488921861845775057185164237250
86327988518950672566101259557103406312381022549654
14811606999120970144450916320833709493627434692054
78810755864741735389334790006139039046855706961711
70586552779458374849314626550026128570581804404741
62314307564622466971209032961160679456341047576404
86227542476797167800625675339956437519668183311277
97754009341647394044712478903017845761120095594410
26584691834871923135217910643941219565768351966120
73527368310068082338272088184148721432690251205510
96051053521773980941871822889908241414269644711869
91540980407423261887807374577156543013379526451773
36074832402518559443431741081011323192754860794413
05133350517497451806682592761497464563846885554654
That, of course, was the joke.
As far as Higgins' Walther, I maintain that it is a PP based on my own experience of having owned both. Foreshortening would account for the barrel length appearing shorter than it is.

I agree that real suppressors would aid in blank function, but in the '80s, as today, a real suppressor would have been an NFA-restricted item, and I have to admit to being dubious as to their utility when the barrels of the prop guns would have already been permanently restricted. I also submit that the can is too short to be a real suppressor.

Here is a pic of a real PPK/S and can:
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I understand that cans can be of different lengths, but I still do not believe the armorer would have needlessly brought three valuable and attractive-to-thieves suppressors to a location.

As far as the square root of 18, I freely admit I rounded it off out of sheer laziness.
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#59 Post by brianw »

Meh, not much to say here. Not a good episode. Had a few funny moments, but overall not much to see here.

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#60 Post by T.Q. »

Cringeworthy episode.

One of the few.
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#61 Post by nha trang »

On rewatching this episode today I have to rate it a "7" where previously I had rated it an "8." It was so tedious that I could hardly bother to follow the plot. I have noticed that my rating of the episodes has changed over the years

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#62 Post by Bes »

This episode was legitimately painful to watch. Cringe worthy indeed. 5/10 at best and surely the worst episode of series 5. IMO anyway.

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sophia wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2008 2:34 am Question.
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In this episode when Rick is on the phone speaking with TM,
who is the lady standing beside him gambling?
I think this is the same lady that TC met in Moraco, Shadea was her name.
Of course that was in Deja Vue, so this would be her first appearance.
Her name is Grace Kennedy.
She is not credited in "Kiss of the Sabre" so is this the same actress?
I think it's awesome that this question is 13 years old. And I believe the answer is yes.

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#64 Post by ENSHealy »

Croix de Lorraine wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:32 am I think this episode gets too much stick. I see it a private joke. This is Magnum PI as Glen Larson initially conceived it - James Bond in Hawai'i.
I was thinking the same thing - a sly reference to the original pilot script, complete with Bond-like guitar riffs dropped in occasionally.
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#65 Post by ENSHealy »

EPISODE: 5.11 Kiss of the Sabre

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