Jororo Farewell (4.11)

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#41 Post by Seaver41 »

J.J. Walters wrote:
Steve wrote:By the way, stickball is a New York game, we play Baseball here in the Windy City.
No Stickball in Chi-Town, huh? Learn something new every day. ;)
N1095A wrote:James, Take a look in the first shot at where TM's finger is when he's racking the slide. I guess it's okay, because you can see into the ejection port right down to the top of the empty magazine. There are clearly no bullets in the gun. Still, poor "gunmanship" all around.
Yeah, but we're not supposed to notice that part (else, why would he chamber a round with no bullets?). No, he chambers a round, sticks it in the back of his jeans, and then walks over to a little league baseball game(!).
Stickball is an urban game usually played in the streets or some parking lot. Broomstick and a handball......a tennis ball will suffice. I'm from NY, so I can't speak for Chicago...but it usually is done when space and grass are limited or don't exist.

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#42 Post by Seaver41 »

that was a pretty brutal episode. Poor John Saxon comes off as a buffoon. The ending would never fly today with Magnum delivering an Ivan-esque spank. Might be the last time I watch this one.

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#43 Post by snp389 »

Not a bad episode I reckon. The kid, Danny gets up my nose. Spoilt little s**t. He deserved the smack on the arse, hahahaha.

Tom Selleck's weapon handling in MPI sometimes surprises me. As a retired Australian Army Infantry Soldier, I served most of my career as a Sniper, therefore I have a fair knowledge of correct and safe weapon handling.
When cycling the action of any weapon system, the user must NEVER place his finger on the trigger. I have read that Selleck served as a soldier in the 160th Infantry Regiment of the California Army National Guard and his unit was activated for the Watts Riots in Los Angeles. His training would have ensured proper weapon handling.
I have served alongside a lot of US Military units, including USMC, and U.S. Army on Exercises and Operations in Afghanistan and East Timor. The U.S. Forces have excellent training on par with the Australian Defence Force, and we always had a great and proud rapport and espirit de corps between us Aussies and the Yanks ever since WW1.

I know it's a TV show, and sometimes things get overlooked during the pressure/deadlines from producers etc, however all Military Training works on the principle of; or a similar type of accronym - EDIP:
EPLANATION
DEMONSTRATION
IMITATION
PRACTICE
Weapon practice drills or TOET's (Test Of Elementary Training) is done so as the Soldier/Marine/Sailor/Operator develops 'muscle memory' using Gross Motor Skills initially until the reaction is subconciously instantanious and then is further enhanced at higher Tier2/Tier1 Operators/Skill Sets to Fine Motor Skills where the End State is extremely fluid movement/reaction - the old line which has been Hollywoodized - "Slow is smooth, smooth is fast"
Anyway, I have noticed that Selleck, in his Awesome Jesse Stone TV movies, has developed a very profficient and professional standard of pistol drills. I dare say, as his personal involvement with the U.S. NRA, his outdoorsman interests have had a great influence on his weapon handling ability.

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#44 Post by .45caliber »

Cool episode, I liked the two dynamics of the kids Danny and Benny, one was rich and important and the other poor and felt insignificant and they both wanted to be someone other than themselves. I felt the same at that age. It was cool how Magnum and TC mentored them and told them to be happy with who they were. Love all the baseball and softball episodes too. As Higgins says, good show.

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#45 Post by Sir Fearing »

I think I found a flub: While delivering the newspapers T.C. stops the car to talk to Benny. First we see a hedge behind Benny. Then the camera faces T.C., he is definitely not driving but a few seconds later there is a house behind Benny.
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jimhalinda wrote:I just watched this one today, and regarding the 'flub' with Magnum chambering a round and then tucking his .45 into the back of his jeans, I noticed that he did flip the safety on before tucking it in.

I'm no firearms expert, but I believe that is a pretty standard practice for carrying a single-action automatic, known as "cocked and locked".

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That's correct. "Condition 1", AKA: "cocked & locked", is widely regarded as the best way to carry a 1911-type pistol or any other pistol which has a well-designed thumb-safety, which includes most single-action autos and some double-action autos (e.g., CZ-75). However, Selleck having his finger on the trigger while racking the slide and while putting the gun in his waist band was very bad form. Generally accepted firearms safety rules instruct you to keep your finger off the trigger until you are on target.
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James J. Walters wrote:Did anybody else notice that Magnum chambers a round in his .45 and then sticks it in the back part of his jeans, all while sitting in the Ferrari? I'm no expert in handguns, but this surely can't be a safe way to handle a gun. And it would be the absolute worst place to have a gun accidentally go off, right into your derriere!

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So this episode feature not one, but two shocking flubs involving Magnum and firearms - the one above and the one mentioned earlier where he loads an Uzi clip with his finger on the trigger, while riding in the chopper!
James, Take a look in the first shot at where TM's finger is when he's racking the slide. I guess it's okay, because you can see into the ejection port right down to the top of the empty magazine. There are clearly no bullets in the gun. Still, poor "gunmanship" all around. This is one of my pet peeves about the show. You'd think these guys being "professionals" would know better.
The magazine isn't empty. It is loaded with 9mm Luger dummy cartridges with FMJ bullets (not to be confused with blank cartridges). You can see this clearly when he removes and reinserts the magazine ...

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... and you can also see a small section of the rear of the cartridge in the lower right-hand corner of the ejection port, when he racks the slide:

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#47 Post by Danny Lin »

Some flubs (of which one is a double flub) I came across:

During the practise game between Jororo and TC´s team, when Rick tells Thomas about playing stickball in Chicago under the El, Jororos final move in the game is shown. After the ball was hit by the player, a cut is made and the ball is shown travelling through the sky. In that scene the sky that has been all cloudy until then suddenly changes to all clear blue, as long as the ball is shown travelling. Directly afterwards the sky is back to all cloudy again.

What makes this ball-in-the-sky-scene a double flub is that the exact same location at which the ball is going through the sky is already used in the beginning of the episode to shoot a scene that is supposed to take place in Jororo: During the game between Jororo and Taiwan a similar scene (or the same scene, shot with another camera from a slightly different angle) showing a ball travelling through the sky is shown. In both scenes (Jororo and Hawaii), when the camera follows the ball down, the exact same three different types of masts come into sight.

The fact that Thomas states that it is nice to see the kids playing their ball game out in the sun when he sits down next to Rick although the sky is all cloudy and no sun can be seen, I wouldn´t consider a flub. Rather more "poetic licence".

But here´s another one: The stunt guy acting as Benny when he rides Agathas polo pony from the estate wears a blue and white striped shirt. When Benny is stopped by T.C. and Thomas by helicopter the next day the stunt person acting as Benny wears another kind of blue and white coloured shirt (and so does Benny himself).
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#48 Post by Danny Lin »

Jay-Firestorm wrote: ...
* On the subject of Rick mentioning his mother, who has been mentioned in other episodes to be dead, maybe it could be read this way: Magnum thinks Rick is running a book on the baseball game. Rick says the first thing that comes into his head (about a recipe for his mother) to try and cover up that he IS running a book! Just a thought.
The scene can hardly be read this way because Rick hands over the paper in his hand to Thomas to prove that it in fact is not part of a book but a recipe. Thomas as well takes a close look to what´s written on the paper handed over to him.
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#49 Post by Danny Lin »

J.J. Walters wrote:
Italian Ice wrote:Noticed 3 minor flubs in this one.

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3.
Danny says he jumped out of the plane before it took off. How did he escape? He wasn't seen jumping out while TM was in front of the plane. The kidnappers probably wouldn't have even started the plane without Danny on it....

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I wouldn't classify these as flubs:

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3) Maybe Danny simply exited the plane "off camera", before TM enters?

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For every ones information:

That´s exactly what happened.

I exited the plane shortly before Magnum arrived but as everyone else I had a hell of a time watching him trying to stop the machine. :P :twisted: :twisted: :P :P :P :P

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lutherhgillis wrote:Flub: Notice when Magnum and Rick are watching the game sitting on the grass just after the boys get into a fight at 2nd base. Rick is writing something on paper and Magnum gets on his case about gambling on a child's baseball game. Rick then apparently reveals that he is wrinting a recipe for chicken marsala to send to his mother. Rick's mother and father are both dead as we learned in Distant Relative which was shown several weeks before this episode. I believe this was a little bit sloppy. The show typically had great continuity.

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It´s a recipe for veal marsala, not chicken marsala.

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miltontheripper wrote:This ones decent but nothing special. As always I like the baseball theme. I always enjoy the fact that TC and TM volunteer to help kids, makes both characters even more likeable like their just big kids. I recently watched Enter the Dragon and am a John Saxson fan and agree with an earlier post that he should have had more facetime, especially if it had been a fight! Thought the spanking ending was a bit ridiculous also! Overall decent episode that's worth watching.
Seaver41 wrote:that was a pretty brutal episode. Poor John Saxon comes off as a buffoon. The ending would never fly today with Magnum delivering an Ivan-esque spank. Might be the last time I watch this one.

I understand the confusion about Magnum spanking me very well. Magnum wouldn´t be Magnum if he actually had done so:

In fact he certainly never did!! But the spectators can´t know.

What really happened is that Magnum was kidding me as a little punishment for my ways. He made me believe that he would spank me but in the very last moment he took all the power out of his slap and only very gently smacked my butt. He lifted me up, messed up my hair and told me I was the worst. Then he gave me a real big hug.

True is that we stayed in contact through all the years since then and even became great friends. Magnum continued to be my mentor and that way he has his merits in making Jororo a better place after I took over from my dad.

Magnum still comes over to my palace now and then and we spend some time together. It is always so much fun!

Why the real development of the story wasn´t told is something that we never really could find out for sure. But who cares... Important is only that you know the truth now.

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In this episode, Higgins is reading an excerpt from his memoirs to the lads. He says, "After 39 days of being surrounded and starved out by the hideously painted cannibals, our major finally agreed to surrender. The seven of us that were left were taken to the encampment of their leader, who was quite insistent that we all be cooked to a slow boil. However, our major, Lord Tewksbury, who also happened to be the ninth Earl of Whitney, protested this summary simmering and challenged the cannibal king to a fight to the death. The prize being, if he won, our freedom. Fortunately, the king was convinced that a battle between two soldiers of royal blood would be a true test of the superiority of our respective races. As the punji sticks were sharpened and honed to a fine point, the Major and the King readied themselves for the fight."

At which point Magnum interrupts. After some back and forth dialogue, Magnum says, "This Major Tewksberg -- did he really fight a duel with cannibals with punji sticks?" Higgins corrects the major's name, and then Magnum says, "It's just that they don't have punji sticks in Africa."

I found this a strange thing for Magnum to say, since nowhere in Higgins' monologue does he include the location where this event took place.

Wikipedia says, "The term first appeared in the English language in the 1870s, after the British Indian Army encountered the sticks in their border conflicts against the Kachins of north east Burma (and it is from their language that term is derived)." And we know Higgins served in Burma.
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K Hale wrote:In this episode, Higgins is reading an excerpt from his memoirs to the lads. He says, "After 39 days of being surrounded and starved out by the hideously painted cannibals, our major finally agreed to surrender. The seven of us that were left were taken to the encampment of their leader, who was quite insistent that we all be cooked to a slow boil. However, our major, Lord Tewksbury, who also happened to be the ninth Earl of Whitney, protested this summary simmering and challenged the cannibal king to a fight to the death. The prize being, if he won, our freedom. Fortunately, the king was convinced that a battle between two soldiers of royal blood would be a true test of the superiority of our respective races. As the punji sticks were sharpened and honed to a fine point, the Major and the King readied themselves for the fight."

At which point Magnum interrupts. After some back and forth dialogue, Magnum says, "This Major Tewksberg -- did he really fight a duel with cannibals with punji sticks?" Higgins corrects the major's name, and then Magnum says, "It's just that they don't have punji sticks in Africa."

I found this a strange thing for Magnum to say, since nowhere in Higgins' monologue does he include the location where this event took place.

Wikipedia says, "The term first appeared in the English language in the 1870s, after the British Indian Army encountered the sticks in their border conflicts against the Kachins of north east Burma (and it is from their language that term is derived)." And we know Higgins served in Burma.
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The scene is set up such that we jump in while Higgins is in the process of reading his memoirs aloud to the lads, so he would have already stated the location. The first time we see TM in the scene, he's leaning against the door frame, hands in pockets, shaking his head, indicating that he's been there for some time so he probably heard Higgins read that it took place in Africa.

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#54 Post by K Hale »

That could be assumed, but we must consider that it would mean Higgins was lying, which I don't believe. Combined with the fact that punji sticks are native to where Higgins did serve, my take on it is that Magnum heard "cannibals" and jumped to an interesting conclusion.
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#55 Post by Rembrandt's Girl »

K Hale wrote:That could be assumed, but we must consider that it would mean Higgins was lying, which I don't believe. Combined with the fact that punji sticks are native to where Higgins did serve, my take on it is that Magnum heard "cannibals" and jumped to an interesting conclusion.
Well, Higgins has been known to "embellish" his memoirs quite a bit and of course that's the point of the scene... it was a hilarious excerpt! :lol:

However that said, I understand now that you weren't actually asking a question in your original post, my bad.

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