The Case of the Red Faced Thespian (4.12)

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J.J. Walters wrote:
Jay-Firestorm wrote: I may be wrong, but there seems to be a notch in the tree from a previous practice shot of the dagger being thrown.
The notch is where the knife/dagger springs out from the target, to make it appear that it was actually thrown. While many knife throwers are real (and indeed throw real knives), I can't imagine they were used on TV show sets, especially when important cast members are involved!
I think I learned about this trick from an episode of Laverne and Shirley.

Another example of this in Magnum, is in "I Never Wanted to Go to France, Anyway" where Rick is the Indian's assistant. I also think they used a dummy for the scene where the wheel is spinning.



I wish it had been more of a "whodunit?" I think there should have been more done to establish the various suspects motives. Start with the "murder" and then have a steady stream of clues and red herrings. And French maids.
^^^My previous comment on the episode.

After rewatching it this morning, I'd add one more point: I wish they had a different theme for the party. Something that would have allowed them to have more fun with the costumes. Maybe a "come as your favorite literary character" or something. I would have loved to see a concussed Higgins acting out a Hercule Poirot fantasy "helping" Magnum solve a mystery.

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Watched this again last night, absolutely love it!

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#43 Post by jno »

I just couldn't buy this one. This is playing it for laughs gone too far - yes, Higgins doing Shakespeare is good tongue-in-cheek entertainment but the whole thing is a bit of a nonsense I feel. Nice to see Ronald Lacey in Magnum. What I didn't get here is murder or no murder, why are the police/ambulance called - all a setup from the start? Too much for my brain to take in obviously.

Then there is Magnum all dressed up one minute, in his shorts and vest the next minute then all dressed up again as we see the final Cluedo style showdown. What I also didn't get - if Robin's new secretary was a stooge, who let all the guests into Robin's Nest in the first place? With Higgins out of action are the lads on gate/meet & greet duties while Magnum is off breakfasting with his pals? In the previous episode we're told this is a secure site. All stretching believability too far for me I'm afraid.

Sorry, I didn't like this one and it was all a bit of a step too far down implausible avenue. Higgins as ever though on top form and nice to other parts of the estate. It's fun in parts but not one I'd return to in a hurry - sorry folks. That's the magic of Magnum though, even the ones you don't like you can find good bits in.
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#44 Post by 308GUY »

jno wrote: That's the magic of Magnum though, even the ones you don't like you can find good bits in.
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That's been my stance from the get-go.

Even the episodes that I have a hard time actually sitting through from start to end, have SOME redeeming value in them!

I guess it must BE "magic"! :lol: :wink:
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#45 Post by Steve-O »

Just noticed a wee flub here, don't recall it mentioned before. More just a small continuity error.
At about the 18:05 mark, Inez Stewart is autographing an opened playbill for TC.
A moment later as she is finishing the autograph, the playbill is now closed but she is signing on the cover.

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#46 Post by K Hale »

If I had to pick out a favorite episode, it might be this one. There's literally almost nothing about it I don't love.

Re the discussion of Higgins falling backwards, it was indeed a "trust fall" with nothing to stop him from hitting the unpadded ground if things did not go right: https://vimeo.com/269118983
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J.J. Walters wrote:
IslandHopper wrote:I particularly enjoyed Inez Stuart’s explanation of her grudge against Higgins because Higgins refused to help her trick Robin into letting her play the “tempestuous dancer” in Babes From Babylon. She continues to whine and says: “That movie would have meant my triumphant comeback.” Triumphant comeback? How far must one fall only to have a triumphant comeback from a movie called Babes from Babylon? :cry:
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sctcarts wrote:Ronald Lacey.....who was none other than the evil Nazi henchman Toht in RAIDERS - you know, the crazy little guy in black with the nasty laugh?
Indeed. The "face melting" guy!


I have a couple of screens of interest:

Here's a clear shot of Higgins' stunt double. We don't often get a chance to see Higgins' stunt double!

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The building in the background that is next to the water, I can't seem to find it on Google Maps. I don't recall seeing it in other episodes, either. Odd....

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Psst! The building, not the hot British lady in the bikini! :)
Hi J.J.,
The British lady is of course Lady Cynthia portrayed by one June Chadwick. I know the actress's name because I just viewed this episode
and raced over to this site hoping a fellow appreciator of beauty had posted her picture. I should have known a Magnum Mania member like you
would come through.
In the scene with Rick on the beach, Larry looks genuinely enthralled by her. Lady Cynthia definitely rates notice in the gallery of Magnum women, right
up there with Digger Doyle.

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#48 Post by K Hale »

Question. I keep thinking I'm just missing something, but now it's time to ask.

During Magnum's Miss Marple denouement, we learn that Lady Cynthia was not in fact dead, of course. So what was going on with the ambulance, the cops, Tanaka gleefully showing up to arrest Higgins for a murder no one committed, etc.? Was this an entire "catch a thief" plot set up by Magnum and Tanaka and the other cops and ambulance crew were in on it, or what?

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#49 Post by ENSHealy »

K Hale wrote:Question. I keep thinking I'm just missing something, but now it's time to ask.

During Magnum's Miss Marple denouement, we learn that Lady Cynthia was not in fact dead, of course. So what was going on with the ambulance, the cops, Tanaka gleefully showing up to arrest Higgins for a murder no one committed, etc.? Was this an entire "catch a thief" plot set up by Magnum and Tanaka and the other cops and ambulance crew were in on it, or what?

I am putting this on FB too because y'all don't read the forum often enough. :lol:
This bothered me too. Lady Cynthia is sprawled on the bed and Thomas, Rick, and Higgins are all in the room. And nobody thinks to check a pulse? They would have to have been in on it. But how? To be in on it, they would have to have known in advance that Marge was going to conk Lady C on the head, and have arranged the cops and the ambulance. But if they knew Marge was going to do it, there is no need to smoke her out...they know she did it, so why all the runaround?

I think this is just one where the writers expect us not to think too much about it. By the time the denouement rolls around, we're supposed to have forgotten about the ambulance, the cops guarding the gate, etc. I don't think there's a way to plausibly string it together any other way.
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ENSHealy wrote:
K Hale wrote:Question. I keep thinking I'm just missing something, but now it's time to ask.
During Magnum's Miss Marple denouement, we learn that Lady Cynthia was not in fact dead, of course. So what was going on with the ambulance, the cops, Tanaka gleefully showing up to arrest Higgins for a murder no one committed, etc.? Was this an entire "catch a thief" plot set up by Magnum and Tanaka and the other cops and ambulance crew were in on it, or what?
I am putting this on FB too because y'all don't read the forum often enough. :lol:
This bothered me too. Lady Cynthia is sprawled on the bed and Thomas, Rick, and Higgins are all in the room. And nobody thinks to check a pulse? They would have to have been in on it. But how? To be in on it, they would have to have known in advance that Marge was going to conk Lady C on the head, and have arranged the cops and the ambulance. But if they knew Marge was going to do it, there is no need to smoke her out...they know she did it, so why all the runaround?
I think this is just one where the writers expect us not to think too much about it. By the time the denouement rolls around, we're supposed to have forgotten about the ambulance, the cops guarding the gate, etc. I don't think there's a way to plausibly string it together any other way.
ENSHealy,
What you say makes a lot of sense. But it might also be the case that the on set "continuity person" who is supposed to keep track of making sure the set/wardrobe matches
previously filmed scenes and that the story logic makes sense, screwed up. When productions film scenes out of of order, or film scenes from different episodes on the same
day at a location site(say Hotel street) that appears in both to save money, the actors/writers/directors can lose track of the story.
Famously, in the immortal film Noir flick "The Big Sleep" with Bogart, the scripters(Raymond Chandler included) forgot to explain who murdered the Sternwood family's
chauffeur. By the time Bogie noticed, filming had long been completed, but he asked Chandler anyway 'who done it'.
A surprised Chandler said "damned if I know".
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#51 Post by ENSHealy »

J.J. Walters wrote:
Jay-Firestorm wrote:In the scene where Higgins is by the tree, and a dagger zips by him and embeds itself in the tree, look closely at the tree – I may be wrong, but there seems to be a notch in the tree from a previous practice shot of the dagger being thrown. I’ve noticed such examples in several other series (it’s a bit like skid marks on the grounds from cars from previous takes), and am pretty sure that this is one such example.
The notch is where the knife/dagger springs out from the target, to make it appear that it was actually thrown. While many knife throwers are real (and indeed throw real knives), I can't imagine they were used on TV show sets, especially when important cast members are involved!
J.J., are you suggesting that the knife is actually pulled from the tree, and the film run backwards? If so, how do you account for Higgins speech matching the video, if it is running in reverse? The knife flies by Higgins as he says "...a dagger I see before me." I agree it definitely looks like it’s on a string, but I don’t know about the “springs out from the target” part.

Interesting to note, the notch you describe is definitely there before the knife arrives:

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But when the knife hits the tree, it’s in a slightly different spot and angle, a little below and to the right of the original notch, and tilted slightly:

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And then later, it’s in a different, third spot, and appears to be a different knife:
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#52 Post by ENSHealy »

K Hale wrote:Question. I keep thinking I'm just missing something, but now it's time to ask.

During Magnum's Miss Marple denouement, we learn that Lady Cynthia was not in fact dead, of course. So what was going on with the ambulance, the cops, Tanaka gleefully showing up to arrest Higgins for a murder no one committed, etc.? Was this an entire "catch a thief" plot set up by Magnum and Tanaka and the other cops and ambulance crew were in on it, or what?

I am putting this on FB too because y'all don't read the forum often enough. :lol:
Here's another puzzler: if Higgins was faking it, as he seems to imply at the end, then why does he ignore the "body" on his bed and go about with his dramatic balcony speech? He can't have checked to see if she was actually dead, because of course she isn't. And if he was faking it, why? It can't be to find who stole the $20,000 or to smoke out the "killer", because he starts having his "Fearing Pangborn" episodes before either of those things happen. So what was he up to?
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ENSHealy wrote:
K Hale wrote:Question. I keep thinking I'm just missing something, but now it's time to ask.

During Magnum's Miss Marple denouement, we learn that Lady Cynthia was not in fact dead, of course. So what was going on with the ambulance, the cops, Tanaka gleefully showing up to arrest Higgins for a murder no one committed, etc.? Was this an entire "catch a thief" plot set up by Magnum and Tanaka and the other cops and ambulance crew were in on it, or what?

I am putting this on FB too because y'all don't read the forum often enough. :lol:
Here's another puzzler: if Higgins was faking it, as he seems to imply at the end, then why does he ignore the "body" on his bed and go about with his dramatic balcony speech? He can't have checked to see if she was actually dead, because of course she isn't. And if he was faking it, why? It can't be to find who stole the $20,000 or to smoke out the "killer", because he starts having his "Fearing Pangborn" episodes before either of those things happen. So what was he up to?
I think it's one of two things.

1) Higgins was just screwing around and using this opportunity to fulfill his actor fantasies that were kindled at Eton when he filled in for the other kid.

2) Two or three different people worked on this script and didn't consult one another until shooting started, and then they threw up their hands and decided to let the chips fall where they may.

Maybe this is just one of those things we are supposed to not think too much about. :lol:
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#54 Post by ENSHealy »

4.12 THE CASE OF THE RED FACED THESPIAN
Famous guest stars: .5 for Ronald Lacey, but less for his own fame than for his iconic scenes in Indiana Jones.
Hawaiian shirts: 1 purple calla lilies
Tigers Cap: 1
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Island Hopper shirts:
Shirtless Magnum:
OMG: 1 45:25
Higgins Organizations:
Higgins musings: 2 3:40 46:45
Negotiations:
Body Count:
Bullet wounds:
Little Voice:
I know what you’re thinking:
When I write HTBAWCPI:
Investigator corrections:
4th wall breaks: 1 22:50
Magnumometer: 6.5
Magnumometer Moments: https://vimeo.com/391372083

Potential magnumania usernames: Sir Fearing Pangborn, Lowell Xavier Jameson

New Flub: The gentleman in the old movie snippet says “deep wounds heal slowly”, but in the climactic scene, TM repeatedly refers to “old wounds”.

It appears Higgins has remodeled his bedroom. In Foiled Again, it looked like this:
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But now, it looks like this:
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He also apparently reclaimed that room for himself at some point before Foiled Again, because in the pilot and in Black on White, it was a guest room.

One does wonder how Higgins failed to notice the croquet ball before dropping the charges in the "mongoose hole”
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#55 Post by K Hale »

I thought he saw the croquet ball, but thought it was a dud.

He also seems to prefer tiny but elaborate beds. I think the one he had in “The Love-for-Sale Boat” was even smaller than this one, if less gothic.
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