Did You See the Sunrise? (1) (3.1)

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#76 Post by Milton Collins »

Watched again and just loved it, great overall episode! I can only complain that the TC/Nuzo/Poisoned gum and mind control from 10 plus years before was a little bit of a stretch but well worth it as this episode is one of the best. The vietnam backstory especially, totally gripping and extremely realistic. I can't imagine a more hateable, despicable villain than Ivan, and the ending monalogue between he and TM with Ivan getting "wasted" by Thomas was just an awesome way to end this one. Probably the best ending of the entire series. As Milton Collins would say, "Bravo Magnum" to this entire episode!

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#77 Post by Croix de Lorraine »

This is still one of my favorite Magnum PI episodes, but stil it's not perfect. Besides the magical brainwashing bubble-gum, the idea of a Bulgarian agent looking exactly like Nuzzo, even after plastic surgery, and nailing him down to the voice and the accent is a bit far-fetched.

Also the scenes with Ivan were a bit camp. That cookiiiiie/niggarrrr schtick was unintentionally comical and the whole 'you Amerrricans with yourrr stupid prrrrinciples' speech is a bit cringeworthy seen from this side of the Cold War.

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#78 Post by TSM308 »

Definitely one of the classics. Seeing blood pour out of Cookie while being told to stick his finger in the hole gave me nightmares when I was a kid.
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#79 Post by thechickinthemiddle »

It's definitely what one would call "squick" nowadays. That said, gushing aside, that blood is too opaque to look all that real.

Anyone else get a Lucie Arnaz vibe from Julie? :D

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#80 Post by ENSHealy »

3.1 DID YOU SEE THE SUNRISE?
Hawaiian shirts: 0
Island Hopper shirts: 1 light blue with white logo
Body Count: 2 Cookie, Mac
Shirtless: 1 – but by TC!
Little Voice: 0
I know what you’re thinking: 0
When I write HTBAWCPI: 0
Investigator corrections: 1 – but TC does it for him when speaking to Nuzo.
Magnum gunshot wounds: 0
Higgins musings: 1 – Tanker Moran
4th wall breaks: 2
Negotiations: 0
Famous guest stars: .5 James Whitmore Jr.
Magnumometer: 8.5

Flub? Based on the blue-to-brown fade of the water color, it appears that TC is dropping TM off in about 3 feet of water near the shore, instead of the supposed 6 miles offshore. So, Thomas then paddles back to the estate…he couldn’t have just paddled 3 miles out and back? He sure would have owed TC less gas money then.

James, the episode guide refers to Doc Wei, but it should be Duc Hue, which is an actual province in Vietnam.

Is it me or does Ivan carry the same Government Model 1911 .45 as Magnum does? Interesting that the KGB would issue him that....

There's a couple timeline flubs. When Nuzo is telling TC that Ivan's been after him, TC says "Man, it's been ten years." That would put Duc Hue in 1972. But later, when Nuzo is holding the picture of TM, TC and Cookie, he asks TC when the picture was taken and TC says "68. It was Cookie's birthday, he bought the farm a week after that." There are two problems with this. First, the 1968/1972 discrepancy. But also, we know that Ivan had TM, TC and Cookie at Duc Hue for 3 months before Cookie is killed ("3 months at Duc Hue and still you are cracking jokes"). So Cookie can't have "bought the farm" only a week after the pic was taken because, among other things Cookie is clean shaven in the picture and he's got that full "I've been a POW for a while" beard when he's shot.

Flub? When we see Higgins putting the River Kwai bridge together, there are "matchsticks" in it that are much longer than the matchsticks we saw Higgins "beheading" earlier in the episode. I suppose theoretically he could have "beheaded" some long fireplace matchsticks later that we just don't see?

Is it me, or did the writers/producers have a little fetish about loading up hospital scenes with numerous pages over the P.A. system? They seem to come fast and furious whenever the scene is at a hospital. There are three in just the one short hospital scene in this episode:
Dr Harris, l.C.U. stat.
Dan Feltzer, Seven West, Pathology
Dr Kahaloa, Trauma Unit B. Kahaloa, T. Unit B.

CRUCIAL CONVERSATIONS

Higgins: Good morning, Magnum.
Magnum: Morning, Higgins. Guys.
Higgins: There's some tea on the table, and some scones. You might try the strawberry jam. lt's really quite good. Old comrade from the Burma campaign sent it to me. Tanker Moran. Got his name when he single-handedly took on a Japanese tank and knocked it out. [pause] Now he's selling jam in Devonshire.

Higgins: Your ten seconds are up, however l am not a man without heart. He left here with Lieutenant MacReynolds about seven.
TC: With Mac?
Higgins: And while l have no idea where they went, knowing the two of them, try some strip joint with a name like the Boom-Boom Room.
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ENSHealy wrote:Flub? Based on the blue-to-brown fade of the water color, it appears that TC is dropping TM off in about 3 feet of water near the shore, instead of the supposed 6 miles offshore. So, Thomas then paddles back to the estate…he couldn’t have just paddled 3 miles out and back? He sure would have owed TC less gas money then.
My impression was that the whole point of asking T.C. to pick him up on the lawn was to rattle Higgins' cage and get him all spun up. Plus when does Magnum ever pay any actual gas money? LOL
Flub? When we see Higgins putting the River Kwai bridge together, there are "matchsticks" in it that are much longer than the matchsticks we saw Higgins "beheading" earlier in the episode. I suppose theoretically he could have "beheaded" some long fireplace matchsticks later that we just don't see?
The careful and precise beheading of the matchsticks seemed like an integral and enjoyable part of the process, so there were probably long matches that were done before or after the little matches that we saw.

....If they were done later, maybe Higgins pretended the tall matches were Magnum and T.C. :lol:
Is it me, or did the writers/producers have a little fetish about loading up hospital scenes with numerous pages over the P.A. system? They seem to come fast and furious whenever the scene is at a hospital. There are three in just the one short hospital scene in this episode:
Dr Harris, l.C.U. stat.
Dan Feltzer, Seven West, Pathology
Dr Kahaloa, Trauma Unit B. Kahaloa, T. Unit B.
Yes they did, and it's my understanding that the people being paged were often people associated with the show. Do we know who any of those folks are?
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#82 Post by eagle »

ENSHealy, love that post. Are you doing this for every episode?

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#83 Post by ENSHealy »

eagle wrote:ENSHealy, love that post. Are you doing this for every episode?
That is the plan. I recently started watching the series again in order, but I didn't start regularly adding comments to the forum until I got to 2.3 Woman on the Beach. The more I watched, the more my thoughts coalesced around tracking certain key elements throughout the course of the series. A draft of the "Magnumometer" made its first appearance in the forum entry for 2.19 Double Jeopardy, and it made it's first "official" appearance in my comments on 2.20 The Last Page.

So now, in addition to moving forward with the series in season 3, I'm going to circle back and fill in the Season 1 and 2 episodes and post a Magnumometer for each.
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#84 Post by karolis »

Jay-Firestorm wrote:* Also, I only noticed this for the first time when watching the episode last night – on the back section of his surf-ski, a Cross of Lorraine is painted.
Screenshot:

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A Cross of Lorraine was visible in episode "Mad Buck Gibson" too (02:07): http://magnum-mania.com/Forum/viewtopic ... =90#p55299
J.J. Walters wrote:Anybody ever notice the camera/cameraman strapped to the side of the chopper as it lands on the estate? I didn't either. This is the camera that's filming Mosley/T.C. "flying" the chopper from the back seat.

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Here's the better quality screenshot:

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Mosley in the back seat:

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snp389 wrote: I love the small things - TM watching a classic movie "stalag 17" whilst eating what looks like chocolate drops;
I believe it was not chocolate (because of the color):

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thechickinthemiddle wrote:It's definitely what one would call "squick" nowadays. That said, gushing aside, that blood is too opaque to look all that real.
Yeah, my thought exactly. Screenshot:

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Higgins caches Rick taking wages for the surf ski race.
Rick explains that coefficients is what is owned and for how many months. The Higgins tell him the story:
“This reminds me the time I caught Magnum on the household computer playing Dungeons and Dragons. He said he was trying to compute the shortest distance between the estate and various spots he frequents around the island. He was doing this, he said, to reduce wear and tear on the Ferrari” (46:02)
Magnum will actually be caught by Higgins playing “Dungeons and Dragons” in season five’s episode 12 “Little Games”.


Maggie about Nuzo (1:02:20):
“Colonel, why don’t we just make Five-O stop him next time he moves, do routine license check”
Another confirmation about shared universe with “Hawaii Five-0”

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#85 Post by karolis »

I believe this is a Old Sugar Mill, which can be seen on "Mad Buck Gibson', when Buck crashes the Ferrari:

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As noted by Kudu buck here:

http://magnum-mania.com/Forum/viewtopic ... =45#p37834

Google Maps: https://www.google.lt/maps/place/Kealoh ... 58.1265498


That desperate 4th wall break:

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Coops beer clearly seen again:

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You can see burning Mac:

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You can see face of the driver that was following T.C.'s van:

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#86 Post by J.J. Walters »

karolis wrote:Coops beer clearly seen again:Image
Um, if anybody has a complete list (or a partial list... or any list!) of the episodes where Magnum drinks Coops beer, I would really appreciate it. I know I've listed a few episodes where he drinks it in the episode guide, but it is by no means complete. I really want to list EVERY episode where he drinks Coops! :)

That guy behind the curtain looks like he is up to something! :)
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ENSHealy wrote: Is it me or does Ivan carry the same Government Model 1911 .45 as Magnum does? Interesting that the KGB would issue him that....
It's a Tokarev, which ripped off the general appearance of various Colt pistols that had been primarily designed by John Browning. It looks more like the old Colt .32 and .380 autos (e.g., 1903 Pocket Hammerless) than it does the 1911, but they all share a roughly similar look, particularly in the contours of recoil spring plug housing area of the slide.

A Tokarev was also seen in Memories Are Forever, when Magnum, Rick, and TC are in Little Saigon asking about Michelle. Rick correctly identifies it as a Tokarev when Magnum asks him if it looks familiar.
Croix de Lorraine wrote:the idea of a Bulgarian agent looking exactly like Nuzzo, even after plastic surgery, and nailing him down to the voice and the accent is a bit far-fetched.
He didn't look or sound like the real Nuzo, nor did he need to, because neither Magnum nor TC had ever met the real Nuzo. The fake Nuzo was inserted into the prison camp and that's when Magnum and TC first met him. The picture they showed of the real Nuzo looked nothing like the fake Nuzo (James Whitmore Jr.), because it was a picture of someone else:

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#88 Post by ZelenskyTheValiant (Ivan) »

karolis wrote:I believe this is a Old Sugar Mill, which can be seen on "Mad Buck Gibson', when Buck crashes the Ferrari:

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Karolis, yes that is the Old Sugar Mill in Waialua. I was there, you know. :higgins: I have some pics that I took at that place this past summer. It's not operational anymore. The whole place has been converted into small shops and such - soap shop, gift shop, shave ice shop, etc. That circular silo looking structure on the left in the pic is the soap shop. It all still looks exactly like in that pic. None of those structures have been knocked down. Just that they are shops now. That's the cool thing about it. There's a historical significance there so why knock it down? Shame they couldn't preserve the Anderson Estate in the same fashion.

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#89 Post by Luther's nephew Dobie »

Croix de Lorraine wrote:This is still one of my favorite Magnum PI episodes... the scenes with Ivan were a bit camp. That cookiiiiie/niggarrrr schtick was unintentionally comical and the whole 'you Amerrricans with yourrr stupid prrrrinciples' speech is a bit cringeworthy seen from this side of the Cold War.
Hi Croix Lorraine,
I thought the same thing as soon as I heard it . That quote was right out of the "stock sayings playbook" for German officers in the lower budget B flicks made during WW 2 when the captured Americans are interrogated. Usually starring Dane Clark and Conrad Veidt.
However it really doesn't detract from the overall greatness of this episode. I have in the past had to almost twist the arms of friends who had never seen Magnum, who had dismissed it as cars, crooks and T & A, to watch this episode. All of them were floored by the ending. Three became big fans of the series and in turn get irate at people who don't understand how Magnum, as revealed over the course of the series, is one of the best written, nuanced, richly developed characters in TV history.
Think about it, the lead/hero in a series executes a unarmed opponent, though Ivan's conduct left the once and now again warrior Magnum no choice but to honor the code and brotherhood he shared with Ivan's victims. Magnum kills if duty and conscience demands it, remorselessly, which a pained TC was shown to be aware of, as in the episode when he hid Magnum's gun when TM wanted to literally HUNT a hit man at an abandoned store. Some beach bum, some mindless T & A action series.
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#90 Post by T.Q. »

ENSHealy wrote:
4th wall breaks: 2



Yikes.

Just watched.

Only caught the 1 on the way to Luau Louie’s.

Argh.
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