Ki'i's Don't Lie (3.3)

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Re: Ki'i's Don't Lie (3.3)

#51 Post by Little Garwood »

Croix de Lorraine wrote:'She was young, and pretty, and Harold...wasn't'

Why didn't Harold get S&S to return the ki'i to the cave? He was obviously too ill to do it himself and he knew that having the ki'i in his hands would only make him sicker...

It's also quite unlikely that the cops would let Higgins arrest 'Morgan Fairchild' personally. Neither would they have a saying in who should keep the ki'i. The court should decide who is its rightful owner.
That Rick Simon quote you posted--complete with its original comedic pause--always makes me chuckle. :lol:

I suppose it could be argued that Harold was so far gone that he would have croaked even if the Simons had brought the Ki'i to the cave instead of back to the hotel. After all, Harold died almost immediately after they handed it to him.

As to your second point, there were several instances where the law was conspicuously absent from the action. Shootouts at Robin's Nest, etc. I've always wanted to keep track of all the times when Magnum and co. handle things without any assistance from HPD.
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#52 Post by KingKC »

I am so glad MPI crossed over with Simon and Simon and brought them to the Thursday night lineup. It made TV memorable for years to come.

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#53 Post by eagle »

Seeing the recent activity in this thread reminds me that the DVD set I have contains the syndicated 1-episode version of this show, rather than the two-part S&S crossover. Where can the original 2-part episode be obtained today? Is it only on the original season 1 disc set? I probably need to find that on half.com or something, because I'd like to have that original episode pair. I do wonder why they dropped that from the more recent DVD set, which is the one I have.

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#54 Post by Little Garwood »

eagle wrote:Seeing the recent activity in this thread reminds me that the DVD set I have contains the syndicated 1-episode version of this show, rather than the two-part S&S crossover. Where can the original 2-part episode be obtained today? Is it only on the original season 1 disc set? I probably need to find that on half.com or something, because I'd like to have that original episode pair. I do wonder why they dropped that from the more recent DVD set, which is the one I have.
eagle, I answered your question in February of last year and in this very thread. :) The two-part episode is on the season two DVD set of Simon & Simon.
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#55 Post by Little Garwood »

Gerald McRaney (Rick Simon) did an extensive career-retrospective interview with AV Club where he discusses the behind-the-scenes goings on for Ki'i's Don't Lie.

AVClub: "You mentioned "Some guy named Selleck” earlier. How was the experience of doing the crossover with Magnum, P.I.? Was it weird because it was two different creative teams?"

Gerald McRaney: A little bit, a little bit. But nothing bad. And the great thing about that was, we got sent over to Hawaii, we were there for, like, nearly two weeks, and we had to work all of five days. We had to keep putting off all the scenes that were shot at the mansion because every time we would schedule that day, it would be raining on that side of the island, so... “Okay, I guess it’s time to go swimming in the ocean again. Not a problem. We can do that.” [Laughs.] So we had a wonderful time on that show because we very rarely did anything! Being stuck in Hawaii at a five-star hotel is not bad. There are worse fates."
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#56 Post by MagnumILWU »

Watched this today! Tom Selleck looked good in this episode! Very fit! And being an early episode, both his, and Gerald McRaney's mustaches looked great! Big and full! For me, they were trimmed way to small in later episodes, for both characters!
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#57 Post by K Hale »

Found a flub.

When Magnum and Higgins race off to the airport, Higgins is wearing a dark pinstripe suit and maroon tie with white dots. Catherine gets away (talking about the crossover version) and Higgins gets right on a plane and flies to L.A. When we see him next in L.A., he's wearing a different tie. Similar color but a different pattern. Did he have an extra tie in his pocket?

Second flub, but explainable: When Higgins and the Simons are checking in to the hotel in Costa de Rosa, Higgins is now wearing his regimental blazer and tie and gray pants. Soon after we see him back in the three piece suit he wore when he got on the plane. My explanation for that one is that when he spoke to Magnum on the phone in the Simon's office in San Diego, he told Magnum to overnight him some stuff from the estate, which would include clothes and toiletries. EDIT: And his passport!

Can't explain the original tie switch, though.

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#58 Post by K Hale »

I got around to checking this out and he changed clothes more than once.

This is what he was wearing when he got on the plane.

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Here he is in the Simons' office. I believe that's the same suit but definitely a different tie.

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They then head for Costa de Rosa and check into a hotel at least one day later. Regimental blazer and tie, gray pants.

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Later in the hotel, he's back in the suit again and the L.A. tie.

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And still later, back to the blazer and striped tie.

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Jay-Firestorm wrote:To note is, after it was destroyed in the feature-length / two-part ‘Did You See The Sunrise?’ previously, the Ferrari is suddenly back. I suppose it could be argued that Robin Masters is so rich, that he simply replaced it with another.
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Jay-Firestorm wrote:To note is, after it was destroyed in the feature-length / two-part ‘Did You See The Sunrise?’ previously, the Ferrari is suddenly back. I suppose it could be argued that Robin Masters is so rich, that he simply replaced it with another.
Astute observation Jay! Never really thought about it before until you mentioned it.
lutherhgillis wrote:I always assumed that RM just bought another one.
No need to know! wrote:I think RM replaced it. Thats what we can assume at least.
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#60 Post by ENSHealy »

3.3 KI’I’S DON’T LIE
Hawaiian shirts: 1 blue with white flowers
Island Hopper shirts: 0
Body Count: 2 Gerald Akoa, Harold Sands
Shirtless: 0
Little Voice: 0
I know what you’re thinking: 0
When I write HTBAWCPI: 0
Investigator corrections: 0
Magnum injuries: 1 shoulder injury sustained by stunt double in airport fight
Higgins musings: 2 Patagonia, chemin de fer with Ferdinand II
4th wall breaks: 0
Negotiations: 0
Famous guest stars: 2 Morgan Fairchild, Gerald McRaney (I applied my own personal “famous” criteria here and denied Jameson Parker because I had to look his name up. Plus his character is such a d-bag, I just couldn’t tolerate him getting any credit for bringing the Magnumometer up.)
Magnumometer: 8

Not too much to say about this one, other than the Brady Brunch Hawaii episodes kinda ruined this one for me. Hard to disassociate the the curse of the tiki and the curse of the ki'i, for me at least. Amusing, but not notable other than for the guest stars.

Also, given how unappealing the Simon Bros come off in this episode, why would anyone have wanted to follow up on their show? It's almost like the writers felt the same antagonism toward them that Thomas clearly feels when he finally interrogates them in the hotel room. You'd think CBS would have insisted on a more favorable light being shone on them in the script. Especially A.J., he's nigh-on intolerable. I assume they were more charming and appealing on their own show, otherwise I have no idea how it ever survived.

I did notice in the Century City shots, they've covered up presumably the "American" or "National" on the sign, just leaving "Broadcasting Companies."

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CRUCIAL CONVERSATIONS

Catherine: l'm sorry you had to change your plans tonight.
Magnum: l didn't have any plans. l just like to be asked, not ordered.

Magnum: Why did you want to have dinner with me?
Catherine: l just wanted to discuss the auction.
Magnum: And?
Catherine: And despite some material advantages...l sometimes get very lonely. Don't you?
Magnum: Sometimes. But never on a case.

Higgins: They tore the Kahaluna down back in '68, l believe. Yes, l recall escorting Clive Jackson-Parr and his lovely wife Astrid there. lt had a chemin de fer table equal to anything in Monte Carlo. l was quite a chemi player myself. Yes, l've passed the shoe to the best of them. l remember once playing with Ferdinand ll - rather sore loser who....[cut to shot of the dogs chasing the other Simon] He was of the nobility as far as the peerage was concerned, but the police still thought...[Dogs barking]. Excuse me.

FROM THE MEMOIRS
l smiled modestly as the Duke shook my hand and thanked me for a job well done. l had looked forward to a well-earned vacation. However, as l turned away, l heard the words, “We have some trouble in Patagonia.” Needless to say, l didn't unpack.
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#61 Post by K Hale »

I found A.J. Simon pretty annoying myself. McRaney was gold, though, especially as the would-be exterminator. :lol:
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#62 Post by eagle »

ENSHealy, I love these summaries - thanks for doing that.

And, K Hale, I agree about the exterminator!

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#63 Post by K Hale »

"I've been doing this ten years and there's always somebody wants to give me a few pointers." :lol:
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#64 Post by ENSHealy »

K Hale wrote:"I've been doing this ten years and there's always somebody wants to give me a few pointers." :lol:
My eyebrows did raise a bit when he referenced the "six years of college" needed to become an exterminator. Not sure that's entirely accurate.... But it did remind me of the line from Tommy Boy:https://youtu.be/UOsQ2epsI2M
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#65 Post by ENSHealy »

Car flub:

They use some stock footage of the oval-mirrored, now destroyed, older Ferrari, but then cut to the clearly square mirrored newer one.

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