Don't Eat the Snow in Hawaii (1) (1.1)
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First post! Been watching Magnum excessively for a year now (but was a fan back in the day) and am now at the point where I am engaging in the critical viewing that's already yielded a wealth of informative posts from other members. I'll try not to embarrass myself when posting, then.
Regarding the Challenger's perceived inability to keep up with the 308 GTS, Dodge offered a number of hot V8 engine options that certainly could have made the clunker a competitive chase machine. Indeed, the particular car used in this episode has a raw and throaty sound to it, so it likely had one of the larger V8 options available. If it had the Magnum (ha!) 440, there's no doubt it would have blown the doors off the Ferrari, at least in a straight line. Certainly the Ferrari would disappear when the roads got twisty, though a Beau Van Den Ecker-piloted Challenger would certainly give it a pretty good run.
Higgins-esque anecdote to support all this nonsense: Many years ago, my father purchased an old Plymouth Gran Fury from a police auction and it had the 440 with a six-pack (three 2-barrel carburetors). The Gran Fury was a larger, heavier car than the Challenger, and I can assure you it had the ability to hastily spin its "certified" speedometer all the way to the right side peg, which was an indicated 140 MPH. A very, VERY scary car to be capable of such speeds.
Regarding the Challenger's perceived inability to keep up with the 308 GTS, Dodge offered a number of hot V8 engine options that certainly could have made the clunker a competitive chase machine. Indeed, the particular car used in this episode has a raw and throaty sound to it, so it likely had one of the larger V8 options available. If it had the Magnum (ha!) 440, there's no doubt it would have blown the doors off the Ferrari, at least in a straight line. Certainly the Ferrari would disappear when the roads got twisty, though a Beau Van Den Ecker-piloted Challenger would certainly give it a pretty good run.
Higgins-esque anecdote to support all this nonsense: Many years ago, my father purchased an old Plymouth Gran Fury from a police auction and it had the 440 with a six-pack (three 2-barrel carburetors). The Gran Fury was a larger, heavier car than the Challenger, and I can assure you it had the ability to hastily spin its "certified" speedometer all the way to the right side peg, which was an indicated 140 MPH. A very, VERY scary car to be capable of such speeds.
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Magnum T. wrote: Funny thing #2: I always wonder how the two idiotic thugs can chase a 308GTS with that piece of junk they have.
Visiting Stewardess wrote: Second, as mentioned just above, how could those two thugs keep up with a Ferrari in their piece of junk, where you can see the chrome trimmings coming off as they drive....
That car was a 1970 (pre-emissions era) Dodge Challenger V8. There were 3 factory engine options for the "V8" version of the Challenger: 318, 340, and 383. A Challenger with a 340 or a 383 would be more than a match for a '79 Ferrari 308.MaiTaiMan wrote: I also laugh at that old "junker" Challenger keeping up chase with the Ferrari--NOT!!! But, that's just one of those little show-quirks that you laugh at and then just accept---after all, it's Magnum! I'm also sure the studio chose that car because it was no problem blowing it up over the cliff.
That Ferrari wasn't particularly fast by American muscle car standards. It did the quarter mile in 15.8 seconds. By comparison, had that Challenger been an R/T version equipped with the top factory engine option (426 Hemi [8 bbl.]), it would have done the quarter mile in 13.1 seconds, or with the second highest engine option (440 [6 bbl.]), 13.6 seconds.
Since it was the "V8" version, and not the "R/T" version, it wouldn't have had a 426, 440, or even the 4 bbl. version of the 383 (unless modified by the owner, or possibly custom ordered as a "sleeper" from the factory). However, with a 340 (4 bbl., all 340s were at least 4 bbl., as they were all built as high-performance engines), it would do 14.8 seconds in the quarter mile (a full second faster than Magnum's Ferrari), and with the 383 (2 bbl.) it would do 15.1 seconds. Even with the lowly 318 (2 bbl.), it would have done 16.1 seconds in the quarter mile, fast enough to more or less keep up with that Ferrari.
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Re: Don't Eat the Snow in Hawaii (1) (1.1)
Car flub detected:
The sister's MG is the same one Maggie Poole drives in season 8.
Also, I don't know if it's just me, but when Magnum arrives at the estate after almost being driven off the road and calls the dogs several times, it sounds as if he calls Apollo "Paolo". Every single time.
The sister's MG is the same one Maggie Poole drives in season 8.
Also, I don't know if it's just me, but when Magnum arrives at the estate after almost being driven off the road and calls the dogs several times, it sounds as if he calls Apollo "Paolo". Every single time.
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Re: Don't Eat the Snow in Hawaii (1) (1.1)
Watching and re-watching the pilot movie is ever a great pleasure. Absolutely one of the best episodes of the entire show. Full of most of the elements of the series.
Everything is so exotic and cool: breaking into the estate to steal the Ferrari, Higgins and the lads, the wonderful Robin's guests, TC's chopper, the beauty of the Hawaii and a very good story too. I like very much the Ian Freebairn-Smith's theme song too.
I've been getting shocked when they passed by the cheap hotel where I stayed when I visited Oahu (in Ala Wai Blvd) . so funny. I'm proud of that.
A very interesting flub is just about the Ferrari. Every one of us knows that in this pilot the license plate on the Ferrari is '56E-478' and this will change to 'Robin 1' for all the other episodes of the series.
But during the famous chase scene is possible to see a different license plate(561-068)!!!
The off road car accident scene was shot on Oahu's southeast shore right on Kalanianaole Hwy (between Hanauma Bay and the Lanai Lookout).
Call me dumb but I never noticed before the Croix de Lorraine painted on the side of the helicopter during the flashbacks.
Everything is so exotic and cool: breaking into the estate to steal the Ferrari, Higgins and the lads, the wonderful Robin's guests, TC's chopper, the beauty of the Hawaii and a very good story too. I like very much the Ian Freebairn-Smith's theme song too.
I've been getting shocked when they passed by the cheap hotel where I stayed when I visited Oahu (in Ala Wai Blvd) . so funny. I'm proud of that.
A very interesting flub is just about the Ferrari. Every one of us knows that in this pilot the license plate on the Ferrari is '56E-478' and this will change to 'Robin 1' for all the other episodes of the series.
But during the famous chase scene is possible to see a different license plate(561-068)!!!
The off road car accident scene was shot on Oahu's southeast shore right on Kalanianaole Hwy (between Hanauma Bay and the Lanai Lookout).
Call me dumb but I never noticed before the Croix de Lorraine painted on the side of the helicopter during the flashbacks.
I know what you're thinking, but this time you're wrong.
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Re: Don't Eat the Snow in Hawaii (1) (1.1)
The Pilot episode is one of my go to episodes when I need my Magnum fix. I agree, it has just about everything we love about the series.
I also like the way it was shot. There was more of a movie quality about the episode to me. I don't know if it was the film used, the equipment, I'm not technical that way, but know it had a "feel".
As for the license, I don't think we can call that a true flub. I always considered the Pilot a little different, even the Estate interiors were different.
I also like the way it was shot. There was more of a movie quality about the episode to me. I don't know if it was the film used, the equipment, I'm not technical that way, but know it had a "feel".
As for the license, I don't think we can call that a true flub. I always considered the Pilot a little different, even the Estate interiors were different.
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Well, I get your point but I think it'd be considered a flub because at the beginning of the episode, when TM drives through the gate, the license of the car is clearly '56E-478'. Then it changes to '561-068' but maybe the tough guys were chasing the wrong carConchRepublican wrote:
As for the license, I don't think we can call that a true flub. I always considered the Pilot a little different, even the Estate interiors were different.
I know what you're thinking, but this time you're wrong.
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Re: Don't Eat the Snow in Hawaii (1) (1.1)
D'oh!! I totally missed that those plates didn't match either. Sorry!Kalai-pahoa wrote:Well, I get your point but I think it'd be considered a flub because at the beginning of the episode, when TM drives through the gate, the license of the car is clearly '56E-478'. Then it changes to '561-068' but maybe the tough guys were chasing the wrong carConchRepublican wrote:
As for the license, I don't think we can call that a true flub. I always considered the Pilot a little different, even the Estate interiors were different.
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This was a great way to set up the series. It introduced the regulars in a great way as well as setting the tone of the show as a drama with comedy mixed into it. I wish that they'd have incorporated Dan Cook references more often into future episodes since he seemed to be tightly entertwined with Magnum, Rick, and TC. I always enjoy when Magnum interacts with the Navy and there was a lot of it from the begining to establish what would make him a great private investigator.
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Doc Ibold wrote:OK James, maybe you (or anyone else) can answer this for me....
So in the pilot, we have Dan Cook established as a good guy who's looking to take down Le Bull, but is tragically killed when he's punched in the gut and ingested cocaine packets burst in his abdomen, causing him to overdose and subsequently die.
HOWEVER, if Dan is such a good guy, how did the packets get into his stomach?
He obviously wouldn't have taken them voluntarily, and lets assume he was drugged or something, don't you think he would have some recollection of being drugged/knocked out/etc before he jetted over to Hawaii?
I love the show, but this was the one glaring plot hole I've noticed.
Anyonw else think this was a bit weird?
Aside from that, I think this pilot was awesome and pretty much sets up the Magnuverse (even though Higgin's has some sort of Pirate/Scottish accent when we're first introduced to him, and TC is an utter hornball).
I had just though of this and was wondering if anyone else out there had some sort of logical reason for the Cocaine getting in the stomach of the late Lt. Cook
They never did mention that did they....the episode focused on TM trying to clear his name.
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After watching MPI for all these years from the early 1980's I finally get to see part 1 of the pilot, which bizarrely ITV4 then went straight onto China Doll afterwards and they failed to show part 2.
Most eye catching part of it ? The visiting stewardesses ! And Pamela SS was no slouch either.
But turning to the actual story itself you can see how the characters hadn't quite been fleshed out and that Higgy baby's accent was still a work in progress and J Hillerman was a slimmer figure than he would become by the 4th season and he'd dispensed with the riding crop.
Most eye catching part of it ? The visiting stewardesses ! And Pamela SS was no slouch either.
But turning to the actual story itself you can see how the characters hadn't quite been fleshed out and that Higgy baby's accent was still a work in progress and J Hillerman was a slimmer figure than he would become by the 4th season and he'd dispensed with the riding crop.
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Re: Don't Eat the Snow in Hawaii (1) (1.1)
Am I correct in that ep. 1 is the ony time Ms Anderson allowed indoor filming? At the 4:00 mark Higgins is seen running down the stairs. Is this indeed the inside of Robin's Nest...or just another set?
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Hi Estate resident,
The pilot was filmed at the Marks Estate.
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It should be noted that the indoor scenes of the main house at Robin's Nest in the "Pilot Movie" were actually filmed at The Marks Estate in the Nuuanu Valley, not at the Anderson Estate (or on a soundstage).
http://magnum-mania.com/Articles/Robins_Nest.html
The pilot was filmed at the Marks Estate.
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It should be noted that the indoor scenes of the main house at Robin's Nest in the "Pilot Movie" were actually filmed at The Marks Estate in the Nuuanu Valley, not at the Anderson Estate (or on a soundstage).
http://magnum-mania.com/Articles/Robins_Nest.html