Never Again ... Never Again (1.7)
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Huge episode - one of the best. I probably should place it somewhere in my top ten, now that I've seen it again.
For me, the long shot cut away suggests a gunshot 'ringing across the water' kinda thing, but I could definitely by Lena's suicide too.
Loved the 'day for night' shooting - old school!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_for_night
For me, the long shot cut away suggests a gunshot 'ringing across the water' kinda thing, but I could definitely by Lena's suicide too.
Loved the 'day for night' shooting - old school!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_for_night
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The plot twist was pretty huge to throw at the viewer this early in the series. I personally thought Lena was going to try and kill Magnum (two of the men she killed were about his size anyway), so the gunshot to me makes far more sense than a suicide (at this point, she'd have nothing to lose). I also found it funny that the hospital P.A. called for a Doug Ibold in the same hospital this Dr. Kessler was working in And for me, the day-for-night was distracting (later eps like "Tropical Madness" seemed fine with actual night filming (or perhaps dusk), so it's a little odd to me why DFN (the way it was done in the 60s) would still be done by the 1980s. Perhaps there's something I'm missing).
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On the plot twist and Lena´s hairstyle:
J.J. Walters wrote:Best plot twist of the entire series!
In fact, when I watched the episode for the second or third time, it suddenly struck me that Lena´s hairstyle perhaps was meant as a hint for attentive viewers at her being a Nazi herself, since braided hairstyle was a typical part of the Nazi aesthetics?Tesza wrote:This is an episode that can be re-watched many times, with the surprising plot twist "flashing" every time again. A Jewish couple, of course, would be the last one to suspect of having engaged in cruel actions in a concentration camp. As a viewer you won't get suspicious before seeing the early 1950's photo with the tattoo missing.
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On who is steering the boat when Lena takes care of Saul:
That´s what I was asking myself too. But if one takes a closer look one can see that the sequence involving the dead Saul, Lena and Magnum is shot right in front of the steering wheel. Before that sequence there is a shot of the boat in open waters shown, so the suggestion seems to be that Lena herself manoeuvred the boat out of the marina and in open waters could leave the steering wheel and take care of Saul.Visiting Stewardess wrote:
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But at the same time this scene made me wonder: who is steering the boat in the marina when Saul has just had a heart attack and Lena is leaning over him????
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On Magnum nearly jumping into a screw:
I totally agree!!! I hate when the audience is demanded to buy totally unrealistic crap. Fortunately "Magnum P.I." doesn´t contain too much of such stuff (unlike a Steven Seagal movie )Milton Collins wrote:
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- Ok gotta call bullsh#%*$ on something here. Would Magnum (or anyone in their sound mind) jump directly at the back of a huge boat like that right where the motor props are? I get that he's a tough, athletic, and sometimes a little bit crazy (meant in a good way, will do anything to help his clients ) private investigator but seriously, if he doesn't make that jump he's chopped to bits much like Ted Danson in season 2 "Don't Say Goodbye". Not a big deal but I just think they could have had him jump from a different angle to make it more realistic.
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On an intentional dislocation:
When Magnum brings Lena to the estate he gives Higgins a call, from the Audi´s Phone, because the Lads hinder him to leave the car. Higgins puts down the Phone and walks up to a window to take a look at Magnums situation. The Window Higgins walks up to is one of the windows leaning towards the houses front yard that is surrounded by the low grey wall. But when Higgins reaches the window, there is a sequence cut in which shows what he sees through the window, which, besides the Lads, is Magnum and Lena sitting in the Audi respectively the Ferrari, in the background the estates third car "Robin 3".
Since every one knows from episode one, that the cars can not even be driven into the front yard, because of the wall and since everyone knows from previous episodes that the estates cars are parked in the area in front of the main door, this sequence means a "violent dislocation". That´s a no go!
When Magnum brings Lena to the estate he gives Higgins a call, from the Audi´s Phone, because the Lads hinder him to leave the car. Higgins puts down the Phone and walks up to a window to take a look at Magnums situation. The Window Higgins walks up to is one of the windows leaning towards the houses front yard that is surrounded by the low grey wall. But when Higgins reaches the window, there is a sequence cut in which shows what he sees through the window, which, besides the Lads, is Magnum and Lena sitting in the Audi respectively the Ferrari, in the background the estates third car "Robin 3".
Since every one knows from episode one, that the cars can not even be driven into the front yard, because of the wall and since everyone knows from previous episodes that the estates cars are parked in the area in front of the main door, this sequence means a "violent dislocation". That´s a no go!
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On the impersonation of Nazis on TV:
Like in this episode of "Magnum P.I." I find the impersonation of Nazis on TV often to be too pithy. They are characterized as wild, screaming, throat slitting monsters, certainly often blond and blue eyed.
When in fact in most cases their true monstrosity was (and is!) well hidden under a totally inconspicuous outward appearance. Almost anyone in any average neighbourhood could (and can!) be a Nazi, following their sick view of life secretly and silently. Or just be a sympathizer, secretly sharing their views and supporting them.
Yah, well, television...
Like in this episode of "Magnum P.I." I find the impersonation of Nazis on TV often to be too pithy. They are characterized as wild, screaming, throat slitting monsters, certainly often blond and blue eyed.
When in fact in most cases their true monstrosity was (and is!) well hidden under a totally inconspicuous outward appearance. Almost anyone in any average neighbourhood could (and can!) be a Nazi, following their sick view of life secretly and silently. Or just be a sympathizer, secretly sharing their views and supporting them.
Yah, well, television...
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I thought the woman who played Lena (Hanna Hertelendy) did an amazing job. I still get goosebumps when I watch the scene where she screams, "It was WAR!"
Yes, they always go too obvious. They also go too obvious the other way when showing Jewish characters - always friendly, intelligent and innocent. Has there ever been a psychotic murdering Jewish character or an evil perverted Rabbi? There are plenty of psychotic Christian religious freak characters and sexually deviant priests.Danny Lin wrote:On the impersonation of Nazis on TV:
Oh yes, I love day for night shooting. It usually looks far more realistic than bright spotlights all over the place.Turkey wrote:Loved the 'day for night' shooting - old school!
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I watched this episode tonight on COZI. When it aired, the 'old' couple, Saul and Lena were 57 and 60 yrs old! Tomorrow Tom Selleck will turn 73! This blows my mind!
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I was oblivious to the original broadcast's gunshot. It makes sense to me as Lena's "suicide by Magnum" and Magnum acting in self-defense. Even though guns trump knives according to The Untouchables, a knife can be even deadlier than a pistol in a tight space with a small target. But I find TM's sad contemplation understandable even with the syndicated possibility that Lena surrendered herself; he's mourning the loss of the good people he thought the Greenbergs were and whom he also cared for.
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I'm surprised nobody questions the legality of what the Israelis were doing. These are foreign agents coming into the country to hunt down, drug, kidnap, remove from the country and possibly kill US citizens (who were once German, but now American). The audience is just expected to accept that. I thought Americans were more proud of their sovereignty than that. Can other foreign agents do that, or is that a special right only reserved for Israelis?
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It's probably illegal as heck, but since they were Nazis I'm OK with it.Mad Kudu Buck wrote:I'm surprised nobody questions the legality of what the Israelis were doing. These are foreign agents coming into the country to hunt down, drug, kidnap, remove from the country and possibly kill US citizens (who were once German, but now American). The audience is just expected to accept that. I thought Americans were more proud of their sovereignty than that. Can other foreign agents do that, or is that a special right only reserved for Israelis?
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Yes, bring us your tired, your weak, and nazi war criminals! By any chance, are you wearing a brown shirt?Mad Kudu Buck wrote:I'm surprised nobody questions the legality of what the Israelis were doing. These are foreign agents coming into the country to hunt down, drug, kidnap, remove from the country and possibly kill US citizens (who were once German, but now American). The audience is just expected to accept that. I thought Americans were more proud of their sovereignty than that. Can other foreign agents do that, or is that a special right only reserved for Israelis?
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Whoa man there's nothing wrong about standing up for law and order and not vigilantism. I make an exception for Nazi hunters, but I respect the Kudu Buck's position.MagnumILWU wrote:Yes, bring us your tired, your weak, and nazi war criminals! By any chance, are you wearing a brown shirt?Mad Kudu Buck wrote:I'm surprised nobody questions the legality of what the Israelis were doing. These are foreign agents coming into the country to hunt down, drug, kidnap, remove from the country and possibly kill US citizens (who were once German, but now American). The audience is just expected to accept that. I thought Americans were more proud of their sovereignty than that. Can other foreign agents do that, or is that a special right only reserved for Israelis?
Besides, they could have killed Higgins but only tranq'd him, so they get extra consideration for that too.
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I agree K Hale . . . I'm sure it would be a huge international incident and is illegal, just as I'm sure things like this happened after The War. I'm also in the look the other way camp. I know I shouldn't be, but considering the circumstances, well, it falls under the "go ahead, but don't make me look stupid category".K Hale wrote:It's probably illegal as heck, but since they were Nazis I'm OK with it.Mad Kudu Buck wrote:I'm surprised nobody questions the legality of what the Israelis were doing. These are foreign agents coming into the country to hunt down, drug, kidnap, remove from the country and possibly kill US citizens (who were once German, but now American). The audience is just expected to accept that. I thought Americans were more proud of their sovereignty than that. Can other foreign agents do that, or is that a special right only reserved for Israelis?
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Yeah, I'd pump the brakes on that response . . .MagnumILWU wrote:Yes, bring us your tired, your weak, and nazi war criminals! By any chance, are you wearing a brown shirt?
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