Never Again ... Never Again (1.7)

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#71 Post by J.J. Walters »

rubber chicken wrote:That could be a tough one, we'll see if the pros at ICMDB can figure it out. Confused I wonder if that car was intended to be in the show, or it just happened by.
rubber chicken wrote:My link in the post above became broken for some reason, but here's the new page, and they're saying it's a 1974 replica of a 1931 Alfa Romeo. I'm always impressed with their automotive knowledge at IMCDB. Smile
Awesome, thanks RC!

The car was definitely part of the scene. It comes up behind the Benz and then passes it on the right! LOL! I love the little touches like this that the show does. :)
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#72 Post by Magnum T. »

I am watching again the entire series to write these reviews.
Last night I had the time to watch another episode so I took the DVD and put it into the player, having no idea which episode I was going to see.
It was "Never again... never again".
I remained like freezed because yesterday was The International Holocaust Remembrance Day.
What a strange coincidence that I was going to watch just "that" episode.

Saul and Lena are a mild-mannered couple, in friendship with Magnum.
They are two survivors of the Shoah.
When Saul is kidnapped everything indicates that a group of nazis is hunting them.
But evil can take the most unexpected forms.

This is a very good episode, the matter is not an easy one.
There are some lighter moments, like T.C. playing with Higgins' bed, but the overall mood is dark.
Well played, well written and directed, it deals with crime and punishment and it deals with evil and how it can be hidden where you wouldn't expect to find it.

As somebody else (maybe J.J. Walters) I think the climatic scene ends in a very strange way.
I think there is no gun shot because the woman kills herself with the scalpel.

Plus: a pretty good episode.
Minus: none to mention.
Best line:
Higgins (to Magnum): Feed the lads, would you? There are steaks in the freezer.
(Magnum looks at him, waiting)
Very well, you can have one too.


Notes:
- team ring on the left.
- the iconic "Da Nang" hat is worn by Magnum for the first time. We have seen it already on T.C.'s head in previous episodes.
- the "same actor/different character" issue again: Glenn Cannon plays Dr. Kessler here and the recurring Dr. Ibold in other twelve episodes.
Rick Quan will return in "Little Girl Who" (7.7).

Funny thing: in all of the hospital scenes the same names are called through the speaker.
"Zeus, Apollo, get out of my Ferrari!"
"Mr. Masters' Ferrari"

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#73 Post by Mozambique_patt »

I liked this episode, thought it was very good. I liked the plot twist. I saw it cold without reading this thread, at the end when she pushed her shoulders back I thought ok, thats it she's going to kill her self, how she going to do it.
I was expecting her to rush TM.

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#74 Post by MaiTaiMan »

I really liked this episode! The plot was awesome, and I liked "Magnum" because it many times had episodes that delt with WWII and/or Pearl Harbor. It had only been about 35 years since the end of WWII when "Magnum" started...so many of those who were in or involved with the war were still alive.

This also had a very superb plot twist at the end...however, the first time I saw it (which was actually in reruns a few years after the show had gone off the air) I did sort of guess what the twist was...that the older couple were really Nazis themselves, and not Jews the Nazis were after.

But, it was awesome seeing how Magnum and Rick discovered it and how they delt with it. The ending was very well done--both acting and camera job!
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#75 Post by Bathurstfan »

Dunno what it is but this episode is a true classic and for some
reason you just feel like your there this episode really gets you in, I feel like I moved back ina time machine to the 80's when I saw it, the acting was so lifelike and realsitic for the times.

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#76 Post by Agatha »

This is one of my favorites, too, Bathurstfan! It really drew me in as well. Maybe because I've never really been able to get my brain around the Holecaust. It was so incredible...so unbelievable...that it could have happened. And so insidious that this nice, elderly couple were not at all what they seemed. Another example of Thomas's character and what a strong sense of right and wrong he has. And some early good chemistry between Thomas and Higgins. Just a great episode all around but deeper and more...hmmm...important (?) than some. You're right...classic is a good word.

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#77 Post by MaiTaiMan »

Agatha wrote:This is one of my favorites, too, Bathurstfan! It really drew me in as well. Maybe because I've never really been able to get my brain around the Holecaust. It was so incredible...so unbelievable...that it could have happened. And so insidious that this nice, elderly couple were not at all what they seemed. Another example of Thomas's character and what a strong sense of right and wrong he has. And some early good chemistry between Thomas and Higgins. Just a great episode all around but deeper and more...hmmm...important (?) than some. You're right...classic is a good word.

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Totally agree!! Classic! :)
"It was more ironic than a Robin Masters novel--she thought he was dead, he thought she was dead...and only the chauffeur knew the truth! He should have been the butler!" "Lest We Forget"

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#78 Post by Visiting Stewardess »

Just watched this episode and have to say that I agree with the "suicide camp". She says, "Yes, it is finally over" with such a determined voice and grimace that I am sure she committed suicide with the scalpel.

But at the same time this scene made me wonder: who is steering the boat in the marina when Saul has just had a heart attack and Lena is leaning over him????

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#79 Post by ZelenskyTheValiant (Ivan) »

Of course the first thing you ask yourself is what the heck are Nazis doing in Hawaii? Heck, even Magnum couldn't help but ask Lena that question. :lol:

But it seems like every show at the time had to have a Nazi story (HAWAII FIVE-0 had at least 2 of them) so it was MPI's turn.

That said, I love this episode! It's in my TOP 4 of the season - alongside the pilot, "No Need to Know", and "Skin Deep". And the twist I totally did not see coming! Right up there with "Skin Deep" and S3's "Black on White" when it comes to best plot twists!

Now I just need to watch the last 2 of the season - "J. Digger Doyle" and "Beauty Knows No Pain" and I'll be done with the first season.

As for the dispute about the ending... it's true... I felt a bit cheated in that there was this huge build-up to some shocking conclusion and then... nothing. Was she shot? Did she commit suicide? Based on what was presented I have to believe that she gave up. She did say "It's over" and with Saul dead she really had nothing left to fight for. Though a point could be made that she also had nothing left to live for. In any case, Magnum shooting an old frail woman wielding a measly scalpel sounds gratuitous. He's a combat vet - he can take her no problem. Plus, there was no gunshot. So the 2 remaining possibilities are that she either committed suicide or gave up. I go with the "gave up" option since we don't actually see her taking her life nor is it mentioned at any point that she killed herself. As for Magnum being upset at the end by the tidal pool... well that's natural. He doesn't have to witness a suicide to feel upset. I mean a sweet grandmotherly old lady and her equally grandfatherly husband (who were long-time friends of Mag's) just turned out to be murderous, throat-slitting Nazis. Who wouldn't be shaken up by a revelation like that?

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#80 Post by Seaver41 »

J.J. Walters wrote:Best plot twist of the entire series!
quite honestly, for me the biggest plot twist is Michelle being alive. It becomes maybe the most powerful undercurrent of his character the rest of the series. He suddenly goes from immature man child to something iconic. Their backstory and then future storylines shaped the series and character......IMO. The buddy formula is wonderful, but on its' own the series would've lost steam long before it did. We in some way, maybe subconsciously, wanted and knew they would meet again and maybe Thomas would get back the love of his life........but the writers cleverly worked in a new husband and ultimately Lily.

I will say this though, this episode was a microcosm of why I loved this show. You never knew when the standard good guy/bad guy serial drama formula would be flipped upside down. The episodes weren't merely stand alone adventures, they tied to each other in some way, some smaller, some bigger than others. We see the furhter development of the Magnum/Higgins relationship as a result of this.........and this was a further building block from the Need to Know episode.

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#81 Post by Mark R.Y. »

I'm confused about one thing. Maybe someone could clear it up for me. When Magnum and Rick find the body of Dr. Kessler with his throat slashed, Rick suggests that the Mossad agents did it. But it's not until a minute or so later that Magnum realizes that Lena and Saul are the real Nazis and that until this insight the two guys who had whisked Saul away in the ambulance and later penetrated the grounds of Robin's Nest were assumed to be Nazis themselves. So why did Rick call them Mossad?

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#82 Post by TankTop44 »

Loved this episode with the twists and turns. I noticed the "diverdown" wallet as well. Enjoyed Ricks comment asking if TM was training for a decathlon! Ha

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#83 Post by Croix de Lorraine »

Fantastic episode, very well written, but some things backfire in my opiinion.

1) I couldn't for a moment believe those two Mossad agents were Nazis. They hardly looked like Nazis and one of them was even called Reuben, for goodness sake!

2) Have you ever heard of a Nazi called Saul Greenberg? Sure, he could be using a false name, but his wife calls him Saul in private. And he couldn't look more Jewish if he was wearing a skull cap. The actor seems to be actually Jewish. In any case he's the least Nazi-looking person I've seen in my life.

Also, when they mention the Mossad, instead of pronouncing it as such, they say something that sounds like "the Massadah team". I don't know if they made up a fictional organization in order not to involve the actual Mossad. And when Magnum is explaining what the organization do he says something like "an organization that chases Nazis", or something like that instead of the more straightforward "the Israeli secret service". Again maybe they did that in order to disguise it.

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#84 Post by Kudu buck »

Great episode. one of the best of the entire series with a sensational turn of events.

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The Saul's shirt shop is located at 3573 Waialae Avenue:
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The shop is in front of the famous Queen Theater. The theater opened on June 29 1936 but actually is looking sad.
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At the hospital Lena said that her home address was Lenai Street, but this is a fictional address.
The real address is '3759 Maunaloa Avenue'
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The house of dr Kessler is located at 4461 Kahala avenue (look at the leaning tree near the entrance)
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#85 Post by Kudu buck »

Magnum wears these polo shirts for the first time in the show:

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