Yep, it's the same hat! I love it when the show does stuff like this; referencing small, seemingly insignificant events that happen years prior.artie wrote:Remember back to Tanaka's first episode 2.15 (Try to Remember), he has on a silly blue hat? Okay, correct me if I am wrong but at the end of the episode 2.15 Try to Remember (Tanakas first episode) Tanaka takes Magnums tiger hat. Now fast forward to the end of this episode (8.4 Tigers Fan) in the end of this episode biff gives Magnum Tanakas Tigers hat. Are we to assume that this is the vary hat that belonged to Magnum originally?? It’s hard to tell since I don’t believe a definite time line has ever been established in the show, season two for all we know was just a year or two earlier in Magnum P.I. time. What do you think?
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I completely agree. Not only that, he was tremendously likable with his quirky ways. A true friend to TM who although in (sometimes) a round-about way always looked out for the guys, and took care of them.Tom_Magnum wrote:I thought this episode was kinda sad. I didn't want Lieutenant Tanaka to die because his character was a great impact on the show.
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This is kind of lame, but I have an "out" for the flub concerning guys in 1973 talking about the Lance White character: This scene was Tanaka's nightmare in which what actually happened in '73 got jumbled up with other things going on in his head. Perhaps he watched a rerun of one of the "Rockford Files" eps with White the night before!
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I could never really warm to this episode simply because they killed off one of my favourite recurring characters.
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Lt. Tanaka is shot dead while working on an undercover case. When the official report seems to cover up the murder, Magnum is determined to uncover the truth and clear his friend of drug running. Why did they have to kill off one of my favourite characters?...
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This review contains spoilers.
After two comedy-based episodes with ‘Pleasure Principal’ and ‘Innocence… A Broad’, things return to more serious matters with ‘Tigers Fan’.
This episode is, of course, the one where the much recurring Lt. Tanaka (Kwan Hi Lim) is killed off. Introduced in the second season’s ‘Try to Remember’, and appearing in many episodes since, Tanaka became one of my favourite secondary characters (and I always felt that he deserved his own spin-off special of something). So it comes as a surprise and a shock when he is abruptly killed off in this story.
In once sense, I like that they dared to kill the character off – it gave the show a real sense of “anything can happen”, but at the same time, considering that the episode comes so near the end of the show’s run, to me it seems like a bit of a damp squib – I wish he had made it to the series finale.
One thing I really like about this episode, and continuing a tradition, is that the opening trailer gives hardly any spoilers away. They managed to construct the whole thing, which tells us that Tanaka is in some trouble, without giving away the key plot point that he will be murdered. I really like this – especially considering that the opening trailers of some other shows of the era sometimes gave away the whole plot in the opening thirty seconds.
The story opens with an amusing flashback to the 1970s, and one of the characters asks is his companions saw ‘Rockford’ (‘The Rockford Files’) the previous night – an episode where Rockford was being driven nuts by a character named Lance White; White was a character times seen later in ‘Rockford’s run, played by… Tom Selleck! (The scene is slightly off in that it mentions the Watergate hearings, which were in 1974, but Selleck did not play Lance White until 1978; but as it turns out to be a flashback dream sequence, it is excusable).
Anyway… I can never really decide how I feel about this episode. The bulk of me tends not to like it that much simply because they killed off one of my favourite recurring characters. Looking past that, the story is reasonable – good first and last act, but sags in the middle.
The first act, before Tanaka is killed, is quite humorous, and makes a lot of mention of Magnum’s theory that Higgins is really Robin Masters. After the notion was introduced in season seven’s excellent ‘Paper War’, this is probably the most the idea is played upon in the series – even thought I did feel it was used for story padding a bit here. Even so, I love Magnum’s scared, child-like reaction when Higgins says that he has informed Mr. Masters of Magnum’s concocted theory.
The climax of the story is also good, and one of the most memorable sequences of the eighth season in my opinion, as we see ‘Rambo Magnum’ infiltrate the villains boat and get even with them.
However, as I said above, I found that the mid-section of the story really sagged in places.
On ‘face value’, this is on the whole a reasonable late MPI episode (and my 8.5 rating reflects that); but I just couldn’t warm to it simply because of the death of Tanaka. It seems a shaky excuse for another “avenging the death of a friend” story, and even thought there have been many previous ‘friends’ that were never mentioned before (or since) their relevant episodes, I would probably have preferred such a new character to be invented for the purposes of this story. Either that, or they could have killed Lt. Page off instead.
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* After such a long review, I think I’ve pretty much said all I have to say on this one.
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Lt. Tanaka is shot dead while working on an undercover case. When the official report seems to cover up the murder, Magnum is determined to uncover the truth and clear his friend of drug running. Why did they have to kill off one of my favourite characters?...
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This review contains spoilers.
After two comedy-based episodes with ‘Pleasure Principal’ and ‘Innocence… A Broad’, things return to more serious matters with ‘Tigers Fan’.
This episode is, of course, the one where the much recurring Lt. Tanaka (Kwan Hi Lim) is killed off. Introduced in the second season’s ‘Try to Remember’, and appearing in many episodes since, Tanaka became one of my favourite secondary characters (and I always felt that he deserved his own spin-off special of something). So it comes as a surprise and a shock when he is abruptly killed off in this story.
In once sense, I like that they dared to kill the character off – it gave the show a real sense of “anything can happen”, but at the same time, considering that the episode comes so near the end of the show’s run, to me it seems like a bit of a damp squib – I wish he had made it to the series finale.
One thing I really like about this episode, and continuing a tradition, is that the opening trailer gives hardly any spoilers away. They managed to construct the whole thing, which tells us that Tanaka is in some trouble, without giving away the key plot point that he will be murdered. I really like this – especially considering that the opening trailers of some other shows of the era sometimes gave away the whole plot in the opening thirty seconds.
The story opens with an amusing flashback to the 1970s, and one of the characters asks is his companions saw ‘Rockford’ (‘The Rockford Files’) the previous night – an episode where Rockford was being driven nuts by a character named Lance White; White was a character times seen later in ‘Rockford’s run, played by… Tom Selleck! (The scene is slightly off in that it mentions the Watergate hearings, which were in 1974, but Selleck did not play Lance White until 1978; but as it turns out to be a flashback dream sequence, it is excusable).
Anyway… I can never really decide how I feel about this episode. The bulk of me tends not to like it that much simply because they killed off one of my favourite recurring characters. Looking past that, the story is reasonable – good first and last act, but sags in the middle.
The first act, before Tanaka is killed, is quite humorous, and makes a lot of mention of Magnum’s theory that Higgins is really Robin Masters. After the notion was introduced in season seven’s excellent ‘Paper War’, this is probably the most the idea is played upon in the series – even thought I did feel it was used for story padding a bit here. Even so, I love Magnum’s scared, child-like reaction when Higgins says that he has informed Mr. Masters of Magnum’s concocted theory.
The climax of the story is also good, and one of the most memorable sequences of the eighth season in my opinion, as we see ‘Rambo Magnum’ infiltrate the villains boat and get even with them.
However, as I said above, I found that the mid-section of the story really sagged in places.
On ‘face value’, this is on the whole a reasonable late MPI episode (and my 8.5 rating reflects that); but I just couldn’t warm to it simply because of the death of Tanaka. It seems a shaky excuse for another “avenging the death of a friend” story, and even thought there have been many previous ‘friends’ that were never mentioned before (or since) their relevant episodes, I would probably have preferred such a new character to be invented for the purposes of this story. Either that, or they could have killed Lt. Page off instead.
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* After such a long review, I think I’ve pretty much said all I have to say on this one.
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I hate to break this to ya', but as much as we'd all like the Tigers cap from this episode to be the same one Tanaka took from TM in "Try To Remember", it clearly is not. The two caps appear to be from different eras. Whether or not it was the intention of the writer/s to have them be the same cap I don't know for sure. If it were then why would they go out of their way to use an older vintage cap instead of one of the regular Tigers caps I'm sure they had on hand?
Cap from "Try To Remember"
Cap from "Tigers Fan"
Cap from "Try To Remember"
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Re: Tigers Fan (8.4)
OK, but I still choose to believe that it was intended to be the same hat. (Though one could alternatively say that Magnum considered it to be an acceptable replacement for the one Tanaka had "confiscated" from him.)
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Question: Does anyone else think that Biff looks like a hapa-haole (technically, half non-Hawaiian, but most often meaning part white)? It seems odd to me that he's apparently supposed to be of entirely Japanese ancestry. If Tanaka is his uncle, but his last name is Ikeda, then his mother is the Lieutenant's sister, which works, because both of them look very Asian. Of course, Biff's father, even though his name was apparently Ikeda, may have been of only part-Japanese ancestry. That's very common in Hawaii. All that would be required for him to have that family name would be that his father's father's ... father was Japanese. (Or Biff could have been adopted!)
I don't feel it's quite accurate to describe Lance White as a "minor" recurring character -- that makes him sound like this series' Cleo. (By the way, James, the Post a Reply spellcheck says you've got one too many c's in recurring.) True, he was in only two episodes, but in those episodes, he was a major character. Maybe that line would work better without the word "recurring" -- something like "The character Lance White (who appeared in two episodes of Rockford) was played by Tom Selleck!"[From Episode Note 3] Lance White was a minor reccurring character played by Tom Selleck!
Agreed! It seems odd that they didn't wait till a bit later in the season (not that the season was long enough anyhow!). Judging by how little screen time Tanaka had in this episode (note that in the flashback, he's "played" by the camera), I'm wondering whether Kwan Hi Lim might have known he was going to be unavailable for the rest of the filming season, and suggested that his character die. They could have filmed his few scenes first. Perhaps the injured leg that we saw in "Pleasure Principle" was going to require surgery.sophia wrote:Sure hated to see Tanaka go. Would have liked to have him there till the end.
I don't recall that any reason was given (or even hinted at) in the episode, but my theory is that Tanaka had believed until very recently that Grady Walker was actually still in the hospital with a complete mental breakdown, and perhaps felt that that sort of living hell was far better punishment than a quick death. Then he either saw Walker somewhere, or (more likely, I think) found out from an informant that he was once again involved in drug traffic. Or perhaps he had actually not been dwelling on Rob's death -- until he was awakened by that nightmare.MPS wrote:Why did he wait 14 years to avenge his partner's death? .... It was implied that Tanaka had been dwelling on the death for years.
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Question: Does anyone else think that Biff looks like a hapa-haole (technically, half non-Hawaiian, but most often meaning part white)? It seems odd to me that he's apparently supposed to be of entirely Japanese ancestry. If Tanaka is his uncle, but his last name is Ikeda, then his mother is the Lieutenant's sister, which works, because both of them look very Asian. Of course, Biff's father, even though his name was apparently Ikeda, may have been of only part-Japanese ancestry. That's very common in Hawaii. All that would be required for him to have that family name would be that his father's father's ... father was Japanese. (Or Biff could have been adopted!)
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I'm in total agreement with you, Golf. Magnum going back to the Navy, was a huge step backward for the character. Since when does "growing up" have to mean returning to a former job? Starting his own security consulting firm would've been a better move. Besides, Thomas was over forty and I don't know that the USN would even want someone that old back, despite previous service. I hated that ending!golfmobile wrote: And I risk being ostracized by saying this, BUT AT THE TIME I WATCHED THE FINAL EPISODE when it actually aired, I was very disappointed in the ending with Thomas going back into the Navy because of Lily and by Rick's marrying (or almost marrying) such an unlikeable and unsympathetic female. That was my feeling at the time and it still is. I'm sorry, folks, but I just didn't like that ending.
1. The Navy scenario: Okay, yes, it did give Thomas a steady income, but was he going to mooch off Higgins to be his babysitter while he was at work at the naval base every day? Thomas left the Navy because he didn't want to deal with the politics and regulations. I was disappointed that he rather compromised his principles just because he felt responsible for a daughter. He wouldn't be a very happy father in that case and therefore not a good father (IN MY OPINION). I'm not sure I have a better suggestion for a job for him, but something like his taking a well-paying and important job as head of security at one of the really big Honolulu hotels where he would have a live-in apartment on-site and we would see him arranging for some kind of day care while he was officially at work and also making arrangements for a back-up babysitter if he had to do something at night (a good excuse to give, for example, a very reliable native Hawaiian cleaning lady at the hotel a chance to earn more money and show how her extended family would be of benefit to Lily, who was certainly short on family at this point in time).
Again, these are just some ideas I'm throwing out because I was disappointed in 1988 and felt the ending was a really big letdown to something that had been so good for so long. Like if Cheers had ended when Sam sold the bar and sank his boat . . . .
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As for "Tigers Fan" itself, Tanaka's death was poorly handled and the episode itself was badlyexecuted. Thomas shoots up a ship of drug dealers and gets to walk away laughing from the crime scene? Ugh!
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I thought that the scene out on the baseball field where Magnum kind of hugs Tanaka to be a bit forced to say the least. I don't think that their relationship quite warranted that level of casualness. I guess I'm not a big touchy-feely person so maybe it's just me.
It did seem to me to be a rather forced tactic to quickly build the appearance of more affection in the relationship than perhaps had been shown to the viewer, and for the purpose of adding more emotion to the plight of catching his killer later.
So, I really wasn't a fan of having to off Tanaka just because the series is in its final season. Also, I'm not quite sure how Grady recognized Tanaka or knew he was a cop? Excuse me if I missed it elsewhere in the thread.
It did seem to me to be a rather forced tactic to quickly build the appearance of more affection in the relationship than perhaps had been shown to the viewer, and for the purpose of adding more emotion to the plight of catching his killer later.
So, I really wasn't a fan of having to off Tanaka just because the series is in its final season. Also, I'm not quite sure how Grady recognized Tanaka or knew he was a cop? Excuse me if I missed it elsewhere in the thread.
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I have to say I loved this episode. I remember being shocked that Tanaka was killed. It's been eons since I've seen this one, but I definitely recall liking it. Magnum got a bit darker towards the end of the run and I think many of these later episodes are so great and unexpected. It makes the more comedic ones even funnier to me in a way because the balance shifted and the less serious episodes were the ones that begun to stick out to me.