Death of the Flowers (7.12)

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How Would You Rate This Episode?

10 (Perfect!)
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2%
9.5 (One of the Best)
2
3%
9.0 (Excellent)
9
14%
8.5 (Very Good)
18
27%
8.0 (Pretty Good)
16
24%
7.5 (Decent)
9
14%
7.0 (Average at Best)
5
8%
6.5 (Not So Good)
3
5%
6.0 (Pretty Bad)
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5.0 (Just Awful)
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"How many TV shows would even come close to mentioning/quoting/referencing people like William Cullen Bryant, Thomas Gray, or Raymond Chandler ever, let alone in the same episode? None! The answer is none!" ;)

JJ,
I will see your Bryant, Gray, Chandler and raise you Carl Sandburg, John Donne, Makepeace Thackeray, Voltaire, Faulkner, Tennessee Williams and Billy Shakespeare, from the CBS show Route 66.
Route 66 is without doubt the most literary series ever made, along with its companion series Naked City. In Route 66, a pair of 20 somethings, one a Yale grad and the other a Hells Kitchen cool Jazz type, travel America in their Corvette, every episode filmed on location, capturing a vanished America from the early 1960's with a guest cast of future stars that rivals Twilight Zones'.
Tod the Yale guy to his pal Buz, on how to bag a college girl English major he's panting for:
"Tell her your a Existentialist"
"What if she asks me what it is?"
"Tell her you don't talk about it, you live it"
Not a belly laugh but the above will get a knowing smile, as head writer Stirling Silliphant assumed the audience had a nodding acquaintance with at least some book learning.
But the show wasnt aimed at effete geeks either, there was plenty of uber-babes, bars and fights along with some of the most layered, sophisticated scripts you will ever come across, they are used even today in writing classes.
But I digress.
I agree with you, JJ, that Magnum PI mentioning Chandler etc is very much to its credit and underlines how Magnum is so much better than the Babes and Cars and sexy lead character that so many people assume it is.
On the contrary, I think Thomas Magnum is just about the most deeply developed character ever, given all the things we learn about him by series end. We not only have Thomas the patriotic warrior, loyal friend and all those other good things but also a man with many demons who could have just as well embraced "the dark side of the force".
I have said it before, but being a stone killer is a part of his nature that he has never fully vanquished, TC especially being aware of that, that knowledge deepening their friendship in a intimate way that leaves Rick and Higgins on the outside.
Of course maybe I'm wrong.
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Luther's nephew Dobie wrote:"How many TV shows would even come close to mentioning/quoting/referencing people like William Cullen Bryant, Thomas Gray, or Raymond Chandler ever, let alone in the same episode? None! The answer is none!" ;)

JJ,
I will see your Bryant, Gray, Chandler and raise you Carl Sandburg, John Donne, Makepeace Thackeray, Voltaire, Faulkner, Tennessee Williams and Billy Shakespeare, from the CBS show Route 66.
Route 66 is without doubt the most literary series ever made, along with its companion series Naked City. In Route 66, a pair of 20 somethings, one a Yale grad and the other a Hells Kitchen cool Jazz type, travel America in their Corvette, every episode filmed on location, capturing a vanished America from the early 1960's with a guest cast of future stars that rivals Twilight Zones'.
Tod the Yale guy to his pal Buz, on how to bag a college girl English major he's panting for:
"Tell her your a Existentialist"
"What if she asks me what it is?"
"Tell her you don't talk about it, you live it"
Not a belly laugh but the above will get a knowing smile, as head writer Stirling Silliphant assumed the audience had a nodding acquaintance with at least some book learning.
But the show wasnt aimed at effete geeks either, there was plenty of uber-babes, bars and fights along with some of the most layered, sophisticated scripts you will ever come across, they are used even today in writing classes.
Great post Dobie and you are not alone as I am a huge Route 66 fan as well......

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Steve wrote:
Luther's nephew Dobie wrote:"How many TV shows would even come close to mentioning/quoting/referencing people like William Cullen Bryant, Thomas Gray, or Raymond Chandler ever, let alone in the same episode? None! The answer is none!" ;)

JJ,
I will see your Bryant, Gray, Chandler and raise you Carl Sandburg, John Donne, Makepeace Thackeray, Voltaire, Faulkner, Tennessee Williams and Billy Shakespeare, from the CBS show Route 66.
Route 66 is without doubt the most literary series ever made, along with its companion series Naked City. In Route 66, a pair of 20 somethings, one a Yale grad and the other a Hells Kitchen cool Jazz type, travel America in their Corvette, every episode filmed on location, capturing a vanished America from the early 1960's with a guest cast of future stars that rivals Twilight Zones'.
Tod the Yale guy to his pal Buz, on how to bag a college girl English major he's panting for:
"Tell her your a Existentialist"
"What if she asks me what it is?"
"Tell her you don't talk about it, you live it"
Not a belly laugh but the above will get a knowing smile, as head writer Stirling Silliphant assumed the audience had a nodding acquaintance with at least some book learning.
But the show wasnt aimed at effete geeks either, there was plenty of uber-babes, bars and fights along with some of the most layered, sophisticated scripts you will ever come across, they are used even today in writing classes.
Great post Dobie and you are not alone as I am a huge Route 66 fan as well......
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#24 Post by BWheelz54 »

Hey Dobie!

Ah, thanks a ton for mentioning Route 66. My father used to tell me all the time when I was studying English at college (my first life) that I would LOVE that show. I had forgotten about it, and your post brought it back to mind. I have to get hold of that ASAP.

You know, I often think I like MPI so much because the series is full of nods to nerdy lit folks, like me. I'm always catching some wink and nod to the writing world, a reason why the episode "Kiss of the Sabre" is one of my favorites. Though that episode might not be a favorite of a lot of folks, that episode is full of little laughs English majors can get a kick out off.

But thanks for mentioning Route 66 again. I am going to run to that show!

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BWheelz54 wrote:Hey Dobie!
Ah, thanks a ton for mentioning Route 66. My father used to tell me all the time when I was studying English at college (my first life) that I would LOVE that show. I had forgotten about it, and your post brought it back to mind. I have to get hold of that ASAP.
You know, I often think I like MPI so much because the series is full of nods to nerdy lit folks, like me. I'm always catching some wink and nod to the writing world, a reason why the episode "Kiss of the Sabre" is one of my favorites. Though that episode might not be a favorite of a lot of folks, that episode is full of little laughs English majors can get a kick out off.
But thanks for mentioning Route 66 again. I am going to run to that show!
Hi BWheel,
You are welcome, I am just spreading the word, like I do with people who have somehow never seen Magnum PI.
Anyway, Route 66 must have something going for it if orange, 3 feet tall aliens from the planet Melmac like it too:

Willie Tanner - "Say, uh, where'd you ever learn about fixing cars anyway?"
Alf - "I used to watch Route 66. You pick things up."
Willie - "That's amazing."
Alf - "I'll tell you whats more amazing. That George Maharis never got another series."

Okay, I admit it, I am a low brow who also enjoys ALF on occasion.
I would like to share the below passage from Route 66, the last line of which I have used a few times as when my buddy Bob dwelled far too long(6 years) on the passing of a loved one to the point of turning her into a morbid dream instead of a loving memory:

Tod to Linc(the 4th season replacement for Buz/George Maharis, who like Magnum was a Special Forces vet in Vietnam and now just wants to grab up all those years of fun he missed):
"The Greeks lied about Narcissus. He didn't fall in love with himself.
He'd never known what love was. So he couldn't accept it or reject it.
He could just look for it.
When he saw his own image reflected in that pool of water, he didn't fall in love with
himself, he fell in hate with himself."
Linc to Janie: "Stop looking in mirrors, Janie. There are windows all around."

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#26 Post by Steve »

Just look at the titles of the Episodes of Route 66 and you get an idea this series was written and produced by a couple of geniuses. I find it interesting that the show takes place during our "advisory" years in Viet-Nam when it was just a far away place we knew nothing about, and Magnum takes place 5 years after we pulled out and after this Country was torn apart by the politics of it. Great writing, amazing guest stars and fun to watch what our country and cities looked like in the early sixties...............

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#27 Post by 308GUY »

Picked up the entire series last year as a "daily special" on Amazon. I did also watch it sporadically in the 60's as a teen. (Yea, I'm old :higgins: )

Another note-worthy thing, (IMHO), is all the location filming in different parts of the country.

I know a guy in Grants Pass Oregon who I mentioned watching an episode that was filmed there to, and he told me he actually remembers when the film crew was there and him going down to watch them shooting the show, course he was very young at the time :) , but none the less, he remembered it and also has the entire series on DVD. Did I mention that he also has rebuilt from the ground up a beautiful 62' Vette? :D He's a master craftsman and is currently restoring a 59' Chevy to pristine condition, other than the Corvette drivetrain..... :magnum:

Don't watch it all that often, (no time), but I do pop in an episode occasionally and take a trip back in time! As was mentioned above, the list of guest stars that later went on to greater fame, is quite impressive!

Maybe this should be in the "Other TV Shows" thread?
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I also think I found Judge Hannibal Kearns' house. It's located here in - you guessed it - Kahala. Magnum really should have just taken an apartment there. It's a shame he so often had to drive all the way down from the "north shore." The beautiful tree is gone, and the pool may or may not have the same corners (hard to tell with the fuzzy image) but otherwise it's a very good match.
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Just watched working out.

Backyard of Judge Kearns house looks like same house of another movie or show and I can’t place it.

Was a house set in Costa Rica where some mobsters were hit. Goodfellas?

Might be totally wrong but looks like same house*. :wink:

* Just found the scene online... Yeah, not even close. LOL :oops:
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T.Q. wrote:I also think I found Judge Hannibal Kearns' house. It's located here in - you guessed it - Kahala. Magnum really should have just taken an apartment there. It's a shame he so often had to drive all the way down from the "north shore." The beautiful tree is gone, and the pool may or may not have the same corners (hard to tell with the fuzzy image) but otherwise it's a very good match.
Image

Just watched working out.

Backyard of Judge Kearns house looks like same house of another movie or show and I can’t place it.

Was a house set in Costa Rica where some monsters were hit. Goodfellas?

Might be totally wrong but looks like same house. :wink:
Hi TQ.. you are right that is the house I'm curious have you seen Rubber Chickens location guide?

http://magnum-mania.com/A_Rubber_Chicken_Guide.html

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T.Q. wrote:Backyard of Judge Kearns house looks like same house of another movie or show and I can’t place it.

Was a house set in Costa Rica where some monsters were hit. Goodfellas?

Might be totally wrong but looks like same house. :wink:
Hi TQ.. you are right that is the house I'm curious have you seen Rubber Chickens location guide?

http://magnum-mania.com/A_Rubber_Chicken_Guide.html[/quote]

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T.Q. wrote:
T.Q. wrote:Backyard of Judge Kearns house looks like same house of another movie or show and I can’t place it.

Was a house set in Costa Rica where some monsters were hit. Goodfellas?

Might be totally wrong but looks like same house. :wink:
Hi TQ.. you are right that is the house I'm curious have you seen Rubber Chickens location guide?

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Ok.. don't take this the wrong way the reason I asked you is because it's already been identified as the location.

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Sam wrote:
T.Q. wrote:
T.Q. wrote:Backyard of Judge Kearns house looks like same house of another movie or show and I can’t place it.

Was a house set in Costa Rica where some monsters were hit. Goodfellas?

Might be totally wrong but looks like same house. :wink:
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Ok.. don't take this the wrong way the reason I asked you is because it's already been identified as the location.[/quote]

As what location?
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The judge house has has already been documented and tagged.
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Sam wrote:The judge house has has already been documented and tagged.
Check the rubber chicken guide
Thanks Sam.

My question had nothing to do with that.

I had thought the house was used in another show where the scene was set in Costa Rica... I was wrong anyway.

I never mentioned anything about its location in Hawai'i nor did I ask where it was.

Cheers. :)
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T.Q. wrote:
Sam wrote:The judge house has has already been documented and tagged.
Check the rubber chicken guide
Thanks Sam.

My question had nothing to do with that.

I had thought the house was used in another show where the scene was set in Costa Rica... I was wrong anyway.

I never mentioned anything about its location in Hawai'i nor did I ask where it was.

Cheers. :)
Hi TQ
Okay that was my fault I missed it I thought you were questioning the judge location sorry about that.

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