Not to quibble, but... the 288 was a completely new chassis not a modified 308. The engine was based on the 308's but that engine was also used in the GT4 and Mondial, and later the 328. It was reduced in stroke, turbo charged and mounted longitudinally rather than transversely. The gearbox was also longitudinal rather than transverse. It had a longer wheelbase, wider track, and different tube frame and suspension. The latter were actually much closer to the F40. Also, the bodywork and frame were constructed of different materials. It was built from the ground up for a new category of rally car racing called Group B, but it sadly, never competed. It WAS however, styled to look like a 308 on steroids... and it certainly did!Magnum T. wrote:As a matter of fact it is, 288 was a (very) limited series of 308 modified for racing.308GUY wrote:288 is an awesome ride.....like a 308 on steroids!
Ferrari 70th Anniversary: The Magnum PI
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Where's that "Thumbsup" smiley.......?
I wouldn't lock either car out of my garage for leaving crumbs! (or oil drops.... )
I've got a couple books on/about Fcars, and they confirm what Pahonu states here.
The 288GT is basically a racing version of the 308, but not a "modified" 308 per se.
As far as being the real thing or not....nope...ANY "replica" is NOT "the real thing", but if it has the "look" and the seat of the pants meter registers the same or better reading....so what...who cares For me, having the original is pretty much a status thing, which I've never really been a fan of, but I've never had "money" either....so I guess status is something I know nothing about.
Kind of like a fake Rolex....but if it keeps good time.....it's also a good watch.
I'm somehow reminded of the story of the princess and the pea......
The 308 will always be the way a sports car should look for me, and the 288 just takes that look to the next level. Much more so than the next factory iteration, the 328 did.
I wouldn't lock either car out of my garage for leaving crumbs! (or oil drops.... )
I've got a couple books on/about Fcars, and they confirm what Pahonu states here.
The 288GT is basically a racing version of the 308, but not a "modified" 308 per se.
As far as being the real thing or not....nope...ANY "replica" is NOT "the real thing", but if it has the "look" and the seat of the pants meter registers the same or better reading....so what...who cares For me, having the original is pretty much a status thing, which I've never really been a fan of, but I've never had "money" either....so I guess status is something I know nothing about.
Kind of like a fake Rolex....but if it keeps good time.....it's also a good watch.
I'm somehow reminded of the story of the princess and the pea......
The 308 will always be the way a sports car should look for me, and the 288 just takes that look to the next level. Much more so than the next factory iteration, the 328 did.
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Maybe I wasn't clear enough, with "modified" I was referring mainly to the "look".Pahonu wrote:Not to quibble, but... the 288 was a completely new chassis not a modified 308.Magnum T. wrote:As a matter of fact it is, 288 was a (very) limited series of 308 modified for racing.308GUY wrote:288 is an awesome ride.....like a 308 on steroids!
Let me rephrase: 288 was a (very) limited series of racing cars "derived" from 308.
@308GUY
Let's put it this way: if I know it's not the real thing it's not the same to me, there is an iconic/cultural value attached to some "things" that goes beyond the thing itself.
If I could have a "perfect" made-in-China replica of the Rolex GMT (perfect meaning same look and also same quality) I wouldn't wear it anyway because I know it's a fake, no matter how close to the real thing it is. That Rolex logo on the dial would annoy me.
This doesn't mean I would trash it, of course
Back to cars, I think I'd prefer to have "real things" like this or this rather than a replica of a Ferrari.
(BTW, I live in Italy so Ferrari parts should be much easier to get for me )
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Magnum T. wrote:
@308GUY
Let's put it this way: if I know it's not the real thing it's not the same to me, there is an iconic/cultural value attached to some "things" that goes beyond the thing itself.
If I could have a "perfect" made-in-China replica of the Rolex GMT (perfect meaning same look and also same quality) I wouldn't wear it anyway because I know it's a fake, no matter how close to the real thing it is. That Rolex logo on the dial would annoy me.
This doesn't mean I would trash it, of course
Back to cars, I think I'd prefer to have "real things" like this or this rather than a replica of a Ferrari.
(BTW, I live in Italy so Ferrari parts should be much easier to get for me )
I understand and agree completely.
To me, part of being "happy" is accepting one's "station" in life, whatever it happens to be.
Some are born into the high life, some attain it and some only lust after it. Still others have no desire for it, but are attracted to some of the trappings of it, but are unwilling to do what's required to have them. But there are "things" that substitute and maybe help achieve some of the same satisfaction, false or not. I think it's an individual thing, but we live in a fairly judgmental world, so there are always going to be those who will judge, and compare. I say do what makes you happy, as long as it doesn't interfere with somebody else's ability to be happy.
Maybe this would be a "compromise"
The Pontiac Mera....Somebody at GM thought it was a great design too! No, it wasn't made by GM, but they sanctioned it and it was only available through Pontiac dealers as a new car during production years, which were short lived. Ferrari shut them down and made them stop production and destroy the molds. An outfit called Custom Concepts did the actual conversions on new off the assembly line Fiero's. There weren't that many made to begin with, and they are certainly rare today. BUT....they are the "real" thing,LOL..but are they a "real" Pontiac, or a fake Ferrari? I think they're both at the same time. But if you like the body and are hooked on having the "real" deal, one of these might fit the bill. They are certainly more within reach as far as cost goes. At least in the USA. Now...in Italy....not sure....might be a toss up! You could maybe get a used 308 easier and cheaper than a Mera!
Another design that would be a close second for me is one of these:
GT40...... they whipped Ferrari more than a couple times, and that body.....well...it just kind of speaks for itself! Gorgeous!
Then there's one of these:
which IS a modified 308. Great lines!
Anyway....obviously, if I could afford an actual 308...I'd already be driving it. With my situation, don't really see it ever happening, so a replica with the same body style and "cheap" drivetrain and suspension, would make me smile on a fairly regular basis.
So I guess we can agree to disagree on this point.
I learned something new too....Robin's Nest is actually in Italy! (That's a joke MT.....is that your "real" name?)
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That's the golden rule!308GUY wrote:I say do what makes you happy, as long as it doesn't interfere with somebody else's ability to be happy.
Exactly. I will say more, it works on different levels and degrees depending on what the "thing" is.308GUY wrote:I think it's an individual thing
In my case I think it depends mainly on two factors: a) if the thing exists in the real world b) how much I am "emotionally involved".
It looks pretty cool.
You know what? I'd like to have it (red, naturally) but with the Pontiac logo (or whatever) instead of the Ferrari logo.
In the first case I see it as an "homage", in the latter it becomes a fake (imho).
The two that I posted before (the Mustang and the SLR) are not my second choice after the 288/308, just the first two I like a lot that came to my mind.
Anyway the Ford GT is, as you said, gorgeous!
Uhm... If I get it right it's a 308 modified by Koenig. To be honest I don't like it very much, it's kind of... too much. I prefer the classic, plain 308, much more slinky!
One of Robin's Nests is in Italy, didn't you know that?308GUY wrote:I learned something new too....Robin's Nest is actually in Italy!
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It sports Mera badging, and is for sale:
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/073867.html
More pics here: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/077195-162.html
Didn't look closely at it, but seems like the asking price was around $12,000 in the first ad from a few months ago, now I think it's listed at $20,000! Won't "swear" to it, but seems like that's what it was.
One of the things I find interesting about the 308, is that the early ones had fiberglass bodies, then they changed to stamped steel. The fiberglass bodied cars are now worth more than the later steel bodied ones!
Any way you look at it, it's a great looking design, and a classic for sure.
Like I said earlier, if it were within my means to own one, I already would.
You know....I DID know about Robin's Keep in GB, but not about another "Nest" in Italy.......if you pay attention...you can learn something new every day!
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/073867.html
More pics here: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/077195-162.html
Didn't look closely at it, but seems like the asking price was around $12,000 in the first ad from a few months ago, now I think it's listed at $20,000! Won't "swear" to it, but seems like that's what it was.
One of the things I find interesting about the 308, is that the early ones had fiberglass bodies, then they changed to stamped steel. The fiberglass bodied cars are now worth more than the later steel bodied ones!
Any way you look at it, it's a great looking design, and a classic for sure.
Like I said earlier, if it were within my means to own one, I already would.
You know....I DID know about Robin's Keep in GB, but not about another "Nest" in Italy.......if you pay attention...you can learn something new every day!
"C'mon TC...nothing can go wrong!"
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Well, if I can't have a 308 I think I could settle for (a red) one of these
The old Robin Masters knew how to live308GUY wrote:You know....I DID know about Robin's Keep in GB, but not about another "Nest" in Italy.......if you pay attention...you can learn something new every day!
"Zeus, Apollo, get out of my Ferrari!"
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Where's that "thumbsup" smiley.....again.....?Magnum T. wrote:Well, if I can't have a 308 I think I could settle for (a red) one of these
The old Robin Masters knew how to live
If you can find me a 308 in Italy for the same money I can buy a Mera for here.....we'll swap!
I know...I know....IF you could find a 308 for the same money I could get a Mera for....YOU'D be driving it!
I saw recently where they (nice 308's) have started to "take-off" price wise....what you could buy for $30 to $50K two years ago, might cost you upwards of $75 now!
I've seen real nice examples with all maintenance records and low mileage bring $125K......wanna split the cost of a few lottery tickets?
Plus like I pointed out earlier, the early fiberglass bodied cars are considered more collectible/valuable than the later steel bodied cars.
WE always knew it was a classic, seems now allot more folks from the "jet-set" with cash are forming the same opinion.
Guess I'll just keep sanding on my fake!
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How did you guess that?308GUY wrote: I you can find me a 308 in Italy for the same money I can buy a Mera here.....we'll swap!
I know...I know....IF you could find a 308 for the same money I could get a Mera for....YOU'D be driving it!
A few days ago here in Italy a €3.00 ticket won a €163,000,000 prize, what about that?308GUY wrote:...wanna split the cost of a few lottery tickets?
Each time I hear such news the first thing that comes to my mind is always the same:"To think that with less than $10,000,000 I could have bought the Robin's Nest!" (the one in Hawaii )
"Zeus, Apollo, get out of my Ferrari!"
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One things for certain, nobody makes red like Ferrari............