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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:32 pm
by Seaver41
give the writers credit for HOW they came up with the character history revision. If the argument was b ased solely on previous episode evidence, then it is clear Higgins is NOT Robin Masters. That said, the argument presented by Magnum is that there is a man paid to run around the world being Robin Masters is a tough one to completely dismiss.

Too many characters over the course of ths how 'know' Robin Masters from earlier in life, so that to me kills the idea unless you simply accept the writers revisied history and episode continuity doesn't matter. I myself fall on the side of show history meaning something and refuse to buy in to Higgins as Robin.

In the end, they did not betray history and define Higgins as Masters, but rather left viewers with the clever cliffhanger of sorts. I like to look at that as the silly storyline coming full circle and being done.

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:01 pm
by AmandaByNight
Seaver41 wrote:give the writers credit for HOW they came up with the character history revision. If the argument was b ased solely on previous episode evidence, then it is clear Higgins is NOT Robin Masters. That said, the argument presented by Magnum is that there is a man paid to run around the world being Robin Masters is a tough one to completely dismiss.

Too many characters over the course of ths how 'know' Robin Masters from earlier in life, so that to me kills the idea unless you simply accept the writers revisied history and episode continuity doesn't matter. I myself fall on the side of show history meaning something and refuse to buy in to Higgins as Robin.

In the end, they did not betray history and define Higgins as Masters, but rather left viewers with the clever cliffhanger of sorts. I like to look at that as the silly storyline coming full circle and being done.
I totally agree that the writers did not betray the show's history. It was a great idea and well played out. I mean, we are not the only one debating this. Casual Magnum viewers have also asked me how I feel about this. It was definitely an interesting twist, even if I still want to picture Orson Wells on the other end of the typewriter!

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:54 pm
by J.J. Walters
Seaver41 wrote:Too many characters over the course of ths how 'know' Robin Masters from earlier in life, so that to me kills the idea unless you simply accept the writers revisied history and episode continuity doesn't matter. I myself fall on the side of show history meaning something and refuse to buy in to Higgins as Robin.
Yes, but what if Robin Masters is a real person? Maybe Higgins crossed paths with him in the early 60's somewhere in Europe (or perhaps SE Asia or Northern Africa, wherever) and said, "I'll write the books, you'll get the credit, we split the profits 70-30 and I'll pay all your expenses. All you have to do is make the appearances. I'll be in Oahu if you need me. Use the red line when you call." ..... Ok-ok, I'll stop now. Who knows, it could be either scenario. It's a fun mystery for sure, though! :)

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:42 pm
by burny
one LARGE thing that seems overlooked - the mag would never have been invited to stay on the estate if the hig was robin masters.

in season 1, the hig's contempt for magnum being there was pretty blatant.
so how would have magnum been allowed to live there if higgins was truly 'the man'.

so in my book, the hig is not robin. it was just a plot device that surfaced in
later episodes. good fun, tho.

Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:52 am
by Styles Bitchley
burny wrote:one LARGE thing that seems overlooked - the mag would never have been invited to stay on the estate if the hig was robin masters.

in season 1, the hig's contempt for magnum being there was pretty blatant.
so how would have magnum been allowed to live there if higgins was truly 'the man'.

so in my book, the hig is not robin. it was just a plot device that surfaced in
later episodes. good fun, tho.
What if "Robin" told Magnum he could stay at the estate without consulting with Higgins? Perhaps the two authors had a tumultuous relationship like the one between TM and JQH. Higgins would be stuck having to keep up the charade for fear of letting the secret out - which could account for some of his...er, curmudgeonly behaviour. I could almost see revisiting some shows to hear the conversations between Robin and Higgins that explain the behaviour (loopholes) we all know.

Higgins and Robin Masters

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 6:39 am
by MagnumILWU
I never believed Higgins was Robin! And to your one point, that if Higgins was Robin, Magnum would have never been invited to live at the estate! That would be the perfect cover, if Higgins was Robin! Why would you suspect the person who seems to hate you, and wants you off the estate, as being your real benefactor! Higgins was an actor, he could have fooled everybody!

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:39 pm
by Seaver41
eh.......it just doesn't seem plausible. Why would Higgins live the life he lives rather than the jet-setting life of Robin? Let's be real, if he has that trashy novel material in his head, you'd see something of it in his real life. the guy is so bottled up it is ridiculous.

Sorry.....it just doesn't sell.

on the 'what if' front...........what if there is no higher supernatural being and we are just the lab experiment of some superior race?

Higgins is Robin Masters?

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:52 pm
by MagnumILWU
Like I said, I don't believe Higgins was Robin! The reason he would not live that lifestyle, which I believe was covered in the show, was his family, his upbringing, his position(title). It would have been too much of a scandal for him to write under his own name!

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:49 am
by Styles Bitchley
Seaver41 wrote:Why would Higgins live the life he lives rather than the jet-setting life of Robin? Let's be real, if he has that trashy novel material in his head, you'd see something of it in his real life. the guy is so bottled up it is ridiculous.
The guy knows his role in life and that is to always remain proper and honourable. The jet-setting lifestyle is gauche, but not without its attraction. That's why he scratches that tawdry itch by living vicariously through his novels and the life of Robin Masters. Sure, he may be eccentric, but the world is full of nutty people!

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:07 am
by Higgins (aka Bondtoys)
:D Styles, you really love your theory, don't you? ;)

While disagreeing on the result with you, I like these possible explanations and stuff.
Very entertaining!

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:46 am
by Styles Bitchley
Bondtoys.de wrote::D Styles, you really love your theory, don't you? ;)

While disagreeing on the result with you, I like these possible explanations and stuff.
Very entertaining!
I'm not sure I agree with myself! :wink: But there is some plausibility there...

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:48 pm
by Higgins (aka Bondtoys)
:lol: maybe you talk this out with yourself and then come up with a final verdict?

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 4:42 pm
by Seaver41
Styles Bitchley wrote:
Seaver41 wrote:Why would Higgins live the life he lives rather than the jet-setting life of Robin? Let's be real, if he has that trashy novel material in his head, you'd see something of it in his real life. the guy is so bottled up it is ridiculous.
The guy knows his role in life and that is to always remain proper and honourable. The jet-setting lifestyle is gauche, but not without its attraction. That's why he scratches that tawdry itch by living vicariously through his novels and the life of Robin Masters. Sure, he may be eccentric, but the world is full of nutty people!
Higgins can't spell the word eccentric, let alone live it. He is so proper, he can't possibly have that alter ego. Not buying it.

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:29 am
by Styles Bitchley
Seaver41 wrote:Higgins can't spell the word eccentric, let alone live it. He is so proper, he can't possibly have that alter ego. Not buying it.
Not everyone is what they appear.

Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:32 pm
by Higgins (aka Bondtoys)
If you need evidence that Higgins is NOT Robin Masters, look at the J. Digger Doyle episode:

Higgins is alone at the estate, the red phone rings and Higgins assumes that Robin calls (but Magnum is on the line).

He wouldn't expect that if he would be Robin himself